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Whats the effect of using different types of grains for mushroom production?
    #26964339 - 10/01/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I have come across people using, Brown Rice Flour, Brown Rice, Rye Grain, Pop Corn, Wild Bird Seeds, Millet as their grain spawn. 

What’s the effect of each differnet type of grain on the finished fruits?

I heard that someone grew some with white rice and said that the potency was very weak indeed. He said that he got better results using brown rice.  This makes total sense because brown rice has more of the natural nutrients in it.

So following on from this I would like to know how differnet source grains affect the final product. Afterall, these are the raw materials that the mycelium uses to produce fruits.


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Re: Whats the effect of using different types of grains for mushroom production? [Re: JennyJackston] * 1
    #26964452 - 10/01/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You can use practically any grains you want. The type of grain used will not affect potency.

I say experiment with a few and see which ones you like the best. I like wild bird seed as it is super cheap and abundant but that's just me


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Re: Whats the effect of using different types of grains for mushroom production? [Re: mind.at.large] * 1
    #26964506 - 10/01/20 06:37 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I dont really know. Been growing for a year, reading the shroomery, wondering this, and I still dont have a framework for it.
I'd like to know.

And knowing would actually be impactful for me, because I grow with a grain that has poor reputation, the corn. Its considered both light on nutrition, and expensive. i only use it because i think its easier than other grains, and dont mind the extra cost

grains have calories. And then they have nutrition.
They can bind water.

So the question then arrives:
Do mushrooms need vitamins, minerals, micronutrition=?

Do they grow more with better nutrition?
Even a noob would be hard pressed to not say yes to this question.
But he doesnt know how.

Is oats better than corn because it has a better nutrition profile?
Yeah, it should be so.

But the better growers do other things as well, they have better genetics, better spawn, better conditions -- other factors on top of the grain

What if they use twice the amount of spawn you do, because they have more space and they are a better grower? then its not the grain

and as far as i can tell, its not been documented in a completely unattackable way what grain is the best, oats or rye,

but its still held as truth that stuff like rye or oats,
is better than corn

only easy explanation for me then is the nutritional profile

And god forbid you just follow the formula in general,
grains = good nutrition

like when a shroomery poster almost went insane
and turned gay at the same time,
While almost killing himself,
because he heard i actually grew mycelium on coriander seeds

:jesusmagic:

thats not legal. grow oats and rye. maybe corn if you want to be 4 shromer like me.

but thinking too much about it, thats not good for you.
Stay your place.


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Re: Whats the effect of using different types of grains for mushroom production? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #26965167 - 10/02/20 02:08 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks Smalltalk.

I agree, the grain used surly makes a differnece because the grain is consumed in some way or form.

I did not know that corn was the least nutritious and most expensive.

Where I am coming from, my objectives and priorities are:

1 – to get good quality (ie decent active ingrients)
2 – to have high efficnency and ease of production of fruits.
3 – Cost.

Cost is the lowest of my priorities. Of course I dont want to go over board but the first 2 are more important. Its like I would prefer a fast Mercedes rather than a fast Ford.

I dont agree with all these comments about “OverThinking things!!!!” WTF.  We have to think about things to understand what we are doing otherwise we are just playing wack a mole and learning by trial and error.  I dont want to learn by trial and error. I want to learn from the wisdom of those that have been before me and build on their great work.  Why re-invent the wheel? I want to stand on the shoulders of ginants and one day I will be on the giants and there will be those that  stand on my shoulders.


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Re: Whats the effect of using different types of grains for mushroom production? [Re: JennyJackston] * 1
    #26965194 - 10/02/20 02:50 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

The type of grain you use will have no effect on the fruits you get.  Especially not potency, which is all genetics.  Yields might vary slightly but that's really mostly genetics as well.  Some grains are better than others for different reasons (inoculation points, etc), but as far as affecting the quality of the final fruits you get, there's no difference.

The only factors you should use in deciding what grain you want to go with are:

Can I get it local, and cheap?
Can I get the prep down easily enough (and right)?


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Re: Whats the effect of using different types of grains for mushroom production? [Re: Forrester]
    #26966338 - 10/02/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I've used quinoa, wbs, millet, and grass seed. All work well and I have noticed no difference in potency.

The grass seed and quinoa do well in screw top containers as a way to test isolates without spawning to bulk. Just pc the dishes for 90 mins


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Re: Whats the effect of using different types of grains for mushroom production? [Re: Cegda]
    #26966355 - 10/02/20 05:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Cegda said:
I've used quinoa




It's been a while since I've used quinoa - how do you do your prep on that one?


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Re: Whats the effect of using different types of grains for mushroom production? [Re: Forrester]
    #26966458 - 10/02/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I boiled for 30 mins, drained like I would wbs, then pressure cooked for 90 mins. I think,  its also been a while but thats how I prep grain.

Moms had a bunch of extra stuff in her kitchen and was going to throw it out, so I took it.. only reason I used it


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Re: Whats the effect of using different types of grains for mushroom production? [Re: Forrester]
    #26966469 - 10/02/20 06:30 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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JennyJackston said:
Thanks Smalltalk.

I agree, the grain used surly makes a differnece because the grain is consumed in some way or form.

I did not know that corn was the least nutritious and most expensive.

Where I am coming from, my objectives and priorities are:

1 – to get good quality (ie decent active ingrients)
2 – to have high efficnency and ease of production of fruits.
3 – Cost.

Cost is the lowest of my priorities. Of course I dont want to go over board but the first 2 are more important. Its like I would prefer a fast Mercedes rather than a fast Ford.

I dont agree with all these comments about “OverThinking things!!!!” WTF.  We have to think about things to understand what we are doing otherwise we are just playing wack a mole and learning by trial and error.  I dont want to learn by trial and error. I want to learn from the wisdom of those that have been before me and build on their great work.  Why re-invent the wheel? I want to stand on the shoulders of ginants and one day I will be on the giants and there will be those that  stand on my shoulders.



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The type of grain you use will have no effect on the fruits you get.  Especially not potency, which is all genetics.  Yields might vary slightly but that's really mostly genetics as well.  Some grains are better than others for different reasons (inoculation points, etc), but as far as affecting the quality of the final fruits you get, there's no difference.

The only factors you should use in deciding what grain you want to go with are:

Can I get it local, and cheap?
Can I get the prep down easily enough (and right)?




Let's see, who should we believe? Hmmm?
Someone with a few posts engaging in speculation, or a trusted cultivator giving reasoned answers based on years of experience.


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Re: Whats the effect of using different types of grains for mushroom production? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26968501 - 10/04/20 03:22 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for your contribution Brian Jones.

I am here to learn and get ideas from people. As they say, there is more than one way to skin a cat. There is not absolute one way to do things.  Just because someone has been here for ages and posted loads doesnt mean that theur way is the best.

Differnet people have different priorities and ways of doing things and different priorities.  I shared what MY priorities are. Cost is not number one for me, while it is for some people.

Let me explain – I like to wear make up and fashioanle clothes. I spend a lot of time on how I look and I care how I look. Some of my girfriends dont care about the clothes they wear or even wear much make up.  Maybe as a result of this, maybe not, I get more attention and offers from Men. I have more choices.  Some of my girlfriends complain that they dont get as many offers as I do.  I dont think that I am any better looking than them. I just take better care of myself and in the dating game, as a woman, that counts for a lot.  Its just a question of priorites, nothing more.

For my girlfriends their priorites are not the same as mine.

As I said, I am here to learn and understand the science and why things work and why they dont. I am not here to play wack a mole or to score points off people.  If you want to share and discuss your way of doing things to help a girl out, great. If not, then why waste people times? I am sure there are other forums where you can engage in flame wars. I am not here for that.

Have a great day Brian Jones.


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Re: Whats the effect of using different types of grains for mushroom production? [Re: JennyJackston] * 1
    #26968512 - 10/04/20 03:55 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Discussion is great Jenny and that's what we're here for - but we're also here to share accurate information, and statements like this...

Quote:

JennyJackston said:
the grain used surly makes a differnece because the grain is consumed in some way or form.





...are nothing but speculation, and tend to serve no good purpose really.  That's why we try to separate speculation from fact so that others reading these posts in the future can get accurate information. 

If cost is not a priority for you, and your priorities are different, that's fine - but that doesn't change the fact that your final fruits will be no different no matter what grain you use.  So use the most expensive grain you can find if you want.  All we're trying to tell you is that your mushrooms will be the same.


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Re: Whats the effect of using different types of grains for mushroom production? [Re: Forrester]
    #26968730 - 10/04/20 08:43 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Bang on Forrester, couldn’t have said it better myself. Mushrooms are decomposers which means two things; 1) they don’t need a whole lot of nutrition in the first place, in this hobby we typically use far more grain that we really need to. 2) They break down their food into simple sugars, amino acids, fatty acids and other small molecules can be taken up following digestion. They can’t absorb anything large so complex molecules must be broken down to consume or they are ignored.

That means that it doesn’t really matter if the food source is corn or wheat or millet. If they can break it down and eat it they will, if they can’t they won’t, and provided there is enough nutrients (we really need less than most people think) it doesn’t really matter what grains are used.

Personally I only dislike corn and oats, for a finicky prep and poor inoculation points. Pretty much find most other grains to be great.


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Re: Whats the effect of using different types of grains for mushroom production? [Re: Forrester]
    #26969527 - 10/04/20 05:29 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you Forrester.

Maybe I should have posed that statement you qouted of mine as a question. My mistake.

I’m just trying to understand whats goin on. I did her from someone who grew some using white rice that had little to no potency. Whereas those with brown Rice were a lot better. Of course, there may have been other variables that we are not aware of.

Just from a logical view point it made sense to me that something that had more nutrients would have an effect on the final fruits.  Maybe what applies to normal agriculture applies differnetly to this hobby.

I am happy to have my views and understanding corrected. There is no shame in that for me.


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Re: Whats the effect of using different types of grains for mushroom production? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26969541 - 10/04/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you Pastywhyte for the brief biochemistry explanation. This is really helpful. 
You did say it better than Forrester. Your explanation was very helpful.

I suppose I will discover more oddities as I progess and learn more about this past time.


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Re: Whats the effect of using different types of grains for mushroom production? [Re: JennyJackston]
    #26969551 - 10/04/20 05:36 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I’m just trying to understand whats goin on. I did her from someone who grew some using white rice that had little to no potency. Whereas those with brown Rice were a lot better. Of course, there may have been other variables that we are not aware of.




Understandable, it's easy to look at a single variable and think it might cause something (or have something to do with it).  When it comes to mushrooms, and tripping in general, there are SO many factors at play it gets incredibly hard to judge.

Not only do genetics of the mushrooms vary incredibly, but the factors that affect the perceived strength of a trip are so many and SO unpredictable, that anecdotal reports like "this grain caused this" and whatnot becomes almost entirely useless.


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Re: Whats the effect of using different types of grains for mushroom production? [Re: Forrester]
    #26969587 - 10/04/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

One oyster production facility I visited, bought their spawn pre inolculated.
They spawned pre colonized millet to coffe grounds and straw into 10 kilo sacks that hung from the wall. In perforated plastic bags.

The straw and the coffe grounds are easy to understand. Its either free or cheap.

I guess that the millet must be about kernel size and amount of myc it produces for weight, an argument often mentioned here at shroomery.

Apparently corn produces less mycelium than the square surface of smaller grains, for instance

How does the price of millet compare to corn in Canada/US/UK


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Re: Whats the effect of using different types of grains for mushroom production? [Re: Forrester]
    #26969599 - 10/04/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You know how, for example with handguns, people talk and endlessly bicker about one caliber or style being waaay better than another one-- you have your 9mm people, your .40 cal fans, the 357 Siggies, the 45'ers, the .22 micro gun fans, .50 cal small penis guys, and so on.

Well-- grain selection is like that in this way:

Experienced pistol shooters will all tell you that in the end, the caliber of the pistol is really meaningless as long as you shoot that gun well every time.
A tiny .22 will stop a rapist if properly used, just as a 9mm or .40 will. A 50 cal that is not properly handled will not stop anything at all if you miss everything with it.

I labored over which grains for years-- but in the end, it's the technique-- the method of proper grain preparation-- that matters 100% of the time-- at the end of the day you will be successful if you follow the basics that are in the Mush Cult Main Sticky Thread-- using any grain you like.

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