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My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? * 1
    #26963900 - 10/01/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Finally got to the fruiting stage two weeks ago, and conditions have been prime in this tub since then. Its been glistening with pearls of water all over and tapes have been taken off, so its getting air.

But there is no development.

No bruising, no visible primordia or pinning that I can see.

I'm starting to lose my grower's nerve with this one.
Getting strange and desperate thoughts of the super noob
spirit in the sky, like cold shocking it, giving it more air,
etc.



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saralove said:
Cheers Myco! Nothing too crazy at all with these.. same params as cubes.. I used simple straw and compost :sun:




Mine's corn to coir, but that shouldnt matter now.


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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #26963994 - 10/01/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Looks OK to me--

What are your temps?

They are well known to be VERY SLOW fruiting-- it's just the way they are.

But I'll say you shouldn't really have to fuck with them while they're consolidating and getting ready to fruit--
I only have a couple projects with them going,a mycobag and my small cased-rye grain tray, which produced pins faster than normal, but they are all mini-midgets. (


My mycobag surface looks similar to yours-- so my suggestion is to forget about it for a couple weeks, just making sure it doesn't dry out much. It'll pin eventually--


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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: coAsTal]
    #26964039 - 10/01/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

thanks for a reply coastal

When I read up on what little I could find of grows of hagenii here on shrommery, i took sara's post at face value.

So im fruiting them in room temp next to cubes, and the cubes are fruiting just fine in the same room no probs..

Also read that after I made 100 jars of them.
So im worried i wont be able to fruit them


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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #26964102 - 10/01/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Nah, it looks ok so far-- you really have to be patient with Semperviva on the fruiting side.
Room temp is plenty--
Look up CaptainFuture's grows on here-- he's the master as far as I'm concerned.


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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: coAsTal]
    #26964413 - 10/01/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Guess who sent me the print?

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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #26966576 - 10/02/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Me too!
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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: coAsTal]
    #26971131 - 10/05/20 07:09 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

We're going into the third week.

The sub was starting to dry on the surface, i gave it a light misting.

Is there signs of knotting? Are they coming?



Room temp plenty so far, but maybe they need a temperature drop to fruit?


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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #26971182 - 10/05/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah don't be afraid to give it a solid amount of moisture via misting-- I misted my tray casing nearly wet maybe every other day, and kept the walls of the lid sprayed every time I opened it for fresh air exchange.

You're still doing good!

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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: coAsTal]
    #26975925 - 10/08/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I aint seeing nuttin:



Read on mycotopia:

https://mycotopia.net/topic/99563-psilocybe-hoogshagenii-var-convexa-semperviva/

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It definitely needs a casing layer, but fruiting parameters are about like cubensis.




whats the verdict on this? should i add a late verm casing or is what I have sufficient? its pretty vermiculite heavy at the top layer

the poster does say "definitely" needs a casing


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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #26979771 - 10/11/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't add an additional casing layer -- the surface you have is sufficient.
Just really have to be patient with them.

This is my mycobag today-- it's been almost a month since I cased it, and it's only just now looking like it's getting ready to pin.


I've misted the sides and surface maybe twice a week, and it's in a very simple FC based on Captain Future's. Overall I've ignored it, really.


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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: coAsTal]
    #26982289 - 10/12/20 08:05 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

RIP! Visible mold on its third week. I have another tub spawned, but it does not bode well for the many hogshagenii jars I have on my shelf, around 4 kilos of spawn that will be finishing colonization within next 2 weeks.

Tested spawning one to a bottle tek, to see if it responds differently.


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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #26985466 - 10/14/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry to hear that man-- just keep your hopes up and workflow clean-- you'll get it!
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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: coAsTal]
    #26985743 - 10/14/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)


I have some more hoghshagenii spawn about to finish, and my first fruiting of them failed, after looking extremely good the first 2 weeks, and then molding out the third week. DIdnt feel like they were in the process of fruiting
slow growing..

its a few jars, that i dont know how to fruit after this first fail



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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #26985874 - 10/14/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

If I may repeat what I've heard many experienced cultivators say, it's most often contamination present in the spawn stage that fouls up a grow-- either in the spawn not getting cooked well enough to kill everything off, or re-contamination during agar/syringe nock-up.
(And if you're ever using sterilized (not pasteurized) casing or sub, that's also extremely sensitive to contams until 100% colonized.)
Sometimes contams just take a while to show--regardless of where the it is coming from.

I had a semp jar on brown rice that looked fantastic and fully colonized for over 3 weeks before turning color in some spots with a grayish stringy mess of some kind of contam. (I was using it as a myceliated grain tek experiment, not spawn)

Had I spawned it at the two week mark when it first looked complete there's no telling how long it would have taken to spoil my sub-- but it would have ruined the grow because the funk was in there.

If you can't explain how you got contaminated, all you can do is make sure you do the right clean work at every step you can control.

Watch your spawn jars very carefully and smell them too upon opening just before you use them. If there's anything "off" about one-- get a close-up pic and post it in the contamination thread for pro's to evaluate. If you're not 100% sure it's perfect, don't use it.

I'm curious-- I don't see any way for gas exchange to occur on any of those jars in your picture-- how are they breathing? (Also, how do you PC them without them breathing)
And did you mention earlier if you used a still air box or flow hood when nocking up your grain?
I ask to help me understand your workflow.

Don't let yourself get too frustrated with failed projects-- it's part of the game. You'll get it. Stay hyper-focused on clean processes-- that will eliminate your contamination vectors and you'll be off to the races.


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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #26985882 - 10/14/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Putting grains to straight coir is really just for cubensis Smalltalk, not any exotics.


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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: coAsTal]
    #26987157 - 10/15/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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If I may repeat what I've heard many experienced cultivators say, it's most often contamination present in the spawn stage that fouls up a grow-- either in the spawn not getting cooked well enough to kill everything off, or re-contamination during agar/syringe nock-up.
(And if you're ever using sterilized (not pasteurized) casing or sub, that's also extremely sensitive to contams until 100% colonized.)
Sometimes contams just take a while to show--regardless of where the it is coming from.

I had a semp jar on brown rice that looked fantastic and fully colonized for over 3 weeks before turning color in some spots with a grayish stringy mess of some kind of contam. (I was using it as a myceliated grain tek experiment, not spawn)

Had I spawned it at the two week mark when it first looked complete there's no telling how long it would have taken to spoil my sub-- but it would have ruined the grow because the funk was in there.

If you can't explain how you got contaminated, all you can do is make sure you do the right clean work at every step you can control.

Watch your spawn jars very carefully and smell them too upon opening just before you use them. If there's anything "off" about one-- get a close-up pic and post it in the contamination thread for pro's to evaluate. If you're not 100% sure it's perfect, don't use it.

I'm curious-- I don't see any way for gas exchange to occur on any of those jars in your picture-- how are they breathing? (Also, how do you PC them without them breathing)
And did you mention earlier if you used a still air box or flow hood when nocking up your grain?
I ask to help me understand your workflow.

Don't let yourself get too frustrated with failed projects-- it's part of the game. You'll get it. Stay hyper-focused on clean processes-- that will eliminate your contamination vectors and you'll be off to the races.




Yeah, my jars are a bit smaller than most people use, so i've been successfully running the lids unmofdded for cubes. I see how this is a big break away from how most people do it, but its been working fine for cubes, oysters, king oysters, azur mycelium, pseuzoaztecorum mycelium, pan mycelium.

When the colonization is far along, I usually loosen the lid, allowing some FAE. There is no sign to me that the mycelium of any of these jars is choking or losing to no oxygen.

I pc them by having the lids unscrewed in the PC, and securing the lids while they are still hot afterwards.

My workflow was:

Semperviva sporeprint -> agar -> clean agar -> grains - grain master - more grains



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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #26991917 - 10/18/20 07:34 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

19.10 - Semperviva struggles

Last friday I cased a tub that had colonized the surface.

When I come back today, the semperviva had colonized the casing.

This is bad right? It shouldnt grow up to the casing, unless its trying to "escape" something?


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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27008970 - 10/28/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Guess Ill have to eat the mycelium directly, seems kinda mean. Ive had two semper tubs mold out in the 2nd and 3rd week of fruiting

Thinking of shaking the mycelium corn kernels for bruising, then boiling the myc alive



Took me half a year to fruit cubes, guess Ill spend easily the same to understand these.....


Or maybe Ill just eat em
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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27048955 - 11/20/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Talented observers of this thread,

Please observe the white dots on this



Looks like pins incoming?

Or not?


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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27049283 - 11/20/20 05:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Looks like you're closer--

This is what my tray and bag looked like just as the mycelial patches started forming identifiable primordia/blobs. If you open them full size, you'll see that the more cottony growth you see on yours will condense and harden into small very white dots:
They're best seen here in the lover left area:


They're all over the place in this one:



If your project is going at the lazy pace my mycobag is, you just have to be patient and keep your spirits up-- the above pic was taken on October 11th, and here's the bag tonight:


Progress is slow here-- but it will do it's thing.

My plain cased rye egrain tray was WAY faster-- I'm already on my second flush with that one- but it was also a completely different approach than the bag.
I know keeping the temps low definitely slows these down a lot-- so I've been aiming for at least mid 70's during the daytime. This FC spent its first month at floor level, probably in the 60's. I can tell the difference since I started elevating daytime temps.

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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: coAsTal]
    #27049593 - 11/20/20 09:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Can't wait to see those wizard hats


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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: smalltalk_canceled] * 2
    #27051567 - 11/22/20 06:49 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)



Pinning like pins @ kindergarten sand

All cube growers, retire now

You are obsolete

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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27051637 - 11/22/20 07:45 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Nice! What is that, exactly? Grains cased with sand?


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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: One of Us]
    #27051752 - 11/22/20 08:56 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Corn cased with boiled sand.


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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27055925 - 11/24/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)



Really beautiful, thinking, they need a dunk,fruit size looks to be pretty small



Cloning this cluster won't result in forever small fruits culture, shroomery?

A single mist was given (1honk)


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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27057164 - 11/25/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Looks like the Semperviva tubs have decided to also join the fun:



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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27057870 - 11/25/20 09:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Well done!

If you cloned that cluster, I don't think your fruit size will stay small if you colonized it in a bigger container.
My tray fruits are always small (even with some SAT cubes I did this summer-- the first flush of both trays was barely 2.5"--3" tall fully mature) but the mycobag has some good size pins already that I'm positive will be way bigger than anything the tray ever made.


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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: coAsTal]
    #27063532 - 11/29/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Watch out, they dont like much misting.

But they seem pretty happy with the sand?



Some aborts from misting
Notice how entire fruit went dark

Sandbox* doing better every day:



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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27063625 - 11/29/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

:vibin:
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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: coAsTal]
    #27070053 - 12/03/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

More tubs pinning:



Fruits maturing:



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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27070122 - 12/03/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Congrats mate, good job. Im glad to see that people are still experimenting with sand as a casing.


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    #27070128 - 12/03/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: alaskappalachian] * 1
    #27128447 - 01/05/21 02:44 PM (3 years, 23 days ago)

Best tub, and some results.

Interesting appearance on some



Biggest shroom around 4-5 grams :laugh:

Around 100 grams wet from 1 flush of corn to coir


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    #27138391 - 01/09/21 08:08 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Nice 2nd flush:



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Re: My first hogshagenii grow - sub stalling? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27138732 - 01/09/21 10:59 PM (3 years, 18 days ago)

What ratio of sand are you guys using in your sub & casings?


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