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Myco’s No Fail Quick Rye Tek
    #26962375 - 09/30/20 04:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Let me start out with this statement. By no means am I saying that I am an expert mycologist. I am actually a novice in the hobby but am learning quickly and getting results. In anything I do, I try to simplify it and enhance the efficiency as well as production. This Rye Tek is intended to be simple, quick and more or less fail proof. The original Tek was Paul Stamets No Soak Rye.
The method he used required no rinsing or soaking of your grain. Simply add 1 cup of grain to a quart jar. Add 1/3 cup water. PC for 1 Hr at 15 PSI. That method sucks. The grains do not hydrate properly. Some grains absorb no water and some are soaked. I’ve tried that method twice with the same poor results. This leads to my situation. From the start of my hobby I always had trouble finding a method to prep Rye. Every jar I prepped would be too wet or burn brown and never colonize. I mastered agar but could not get through grain prep. It’s really frustrating when you go through 30lbs of grain with no results:/

        My first Prep I tried was the 24 hour soak. Boil 15 mins. Drain. Allow outside of the grain to dry. Add to jars. PC for 90 mins at 15 PSI. My lid holes were 1/4 in. Poly was in tight. Foil over the the top. Grains came out burnt and soaked. Why? I attempted this method many times and got nowhere.. Insanity is when you do the same thing over and over expecting different results.

      I was getting tired of failing. I started changing variables of the Teks. Soak Time, Boil time, PC time, water level in PC as well as additives like coffee and gypsum. I finally realized gypsum was important in helping to soak up excess water and preventing the grain from sticking together. It helps the mycelium to penetrate easily. I believe it’s crucial to use. Keep in mind the amount of grain in each jar plays a role as well. IMO full jars are harder to achieve proper moisture content with. I use a half quart. After PC they expand to half a quart. Anyway, here we are. The method I have dubbed, the “No Fail Quick Rye Tek” by Mycopsilo. That’s me!

      This is what works. If your having trouble prepping grain look no further.
What You’ll Need:
1 Quart Jars (Prepping half quart)
Rye Grain of choice
R/O or Purified Water
Spent Coffee Grinds
Gypsum
Heavy Duty Foil
Pressure Cooker (PC)
Polyfil

Let me be quick and exact.
First prep your jar lids. I’m using 3/4 holes. FYI you need a hole saw. Once you’ve drilled your lids stuff them tightly with polyfil. Next measure out your grain. No rinse just measure out 1 cup of grain for each jar. Add your grain to a large stock pot or your PC. Boil your grain 10 minutes with purified water. Strain your grain. Add it back to your jars but consider that it expanded a bit. So instead of 8oz of grain put 12oz in. Next reboil your spent coffee grinds so you have coffee water. Coffee is thought to increase yield. While that’s brewing add 1/4 teaspoon of gypsum powder to your jars. Add a 1/4 cup of your coffee water to each jar. Stir your jars with a fork. Put just the flat lid on top. Then your heavy duty foil over that. Then your screw band over the foil and lid. It keeps out all moisture but it can still release air. No explosions;) I claim this Jar Tek as my own. Until I hear otherwise I did it first! Disclaimer: if your PC or jars explode it’s on you

    Next load your jars in your PC and cook for 1 Hr at 15 PSI. Allow your pressure cooker to reach 0 before opening. Remove your jars and shake left to right to redistribute the extra moisture you’ll see inside. Do this a couple times while your jars are cooling. When your jars are room temp they are ready to inoculate. Expect anywhere from 1 week to 1 month to colonize depending on different factors. They will colonize that is for certain. 99% success rate. That’s all there is to it! This Tek is for the noob or for someone having trouble with going to bulk. Hope it helped.

Notes:

Just to clarify I use purified water because it doesn’t contain all the rust, heavy metals and other contams that tap water might.
This Tek makes half quarts of sterile grain so a full run of jars in your 23 quart PC will yield 5 quarts.
Always make sure your sterile Tek is on point or all your efforts will be for nothing. I can’t stress cleanliness enough.
I’m still learning and am always open to improvement. Questions, comments or someone who can teach me how to make perfect Full grain jars. Talk to me.

                                                                          Yours Truly,
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Re: Myco’s No Fail Quick Rye Tek [Re: Mycopsilo]
    #26962429 - 09/30/20 04:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I hate to say it but those jars look a little suspect.  :shrug:

You really should PC quart jars for 90 minutes.  You might get away with an hour, sometimes, but... most do 90min.


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Re: Myco’s No Fail Quick Rye Tek [Re: Forrester]
    #26962481 - 09/30/20 05:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I thought they did as well but those jars went on to bulk. Those yellow spots you saw were just the sticky matter inside of the rye mixed with coffee residue. I thought 90 mins was the golden rule but if I do that my grains get burnt.


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Re: Myco’s No Fail Quick Rye Tek [Re: Mycopsilo]
    #26963207 - 10/01/20 02:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Mycopsilo said:
I thought they did as well but those jars went on to bulk. Those yellow spots you saw were just the sticky matter inside of the rye mixed with coffee residue. I thought 90 mins was the golden rule but if I do that my grains get burnt.




It could be the coffee making it a bit yellower, but the sticky matter inside the rye really should remain inside the rye.  If your grains are getting burnt/exploding @90min you may need to adjust your prep method :smile:


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Re: Myco’s No Fail Quick Rye Tek [Re: Forrester]
    #26963447 - 10/01/20 08:38 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It's what has been working for me. It's largely successful. Only problem is I can only make 1/2 quarts. So, if someone wanted to show me a foolproof way to make full quarts that would be nice. All my PC runs at 90 mins came out the same, brown and smelly. You prep full jars I'm guessing? I've only got to sterilize a 1/2 quart so an hour should be adequate.


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Re: Myco’s No Fail Quick Rye Tek [Re: Mycopsilo]
    #26963458 - 10/01/20 08:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

using gypsum to soak up excess moisture shouldnt be your thought process. it should be, i need too dry them enough to where i dont have to add anything to 'fix' a problem.


if an extra 30min in the pc turns your grains to shit then you are most definitely over hydrating them imo. im sure your jars grow you shrooms but focusing on the hydration/grain prep will really help things take off for you.

work on the grain prep:thumbup:


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Re: Myco’s No Fail Quick Rye Tek [Re: mushboy]
    #26963485 - 10/01/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Mushboy should I soak or boil for less time? I've tried a 24,12 and 6 hour soak. I boil between 10 and 15 mins after the soak. I put my grains on a big window screen with a fan blowing until the outer surface is dry. I PC them 90mins.Then they somehow get wet again and turn brown. The water level in my PC is just at the bottom of the jar. IDFK


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Re: Myco’s No Fail Quick Rye Tek [Re: Mycopsilo]
    #26963494 - 10/01/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

sounds like you are over hydrating them. ive only done rye once over 10yrs ago so i cant give first hand advice but im sure someone else will chime in:popcorn:

but id just boil em and skip the soak. or just soak them and skip the boil. when you boil AFTER a 24hr soak it should really only be for a few min max and its mostly to help steam dry them when you dump them out onto the screen. after 24hrs the grain is hydrated. that extra boiling is fucking you up. you could also dump your soaked grains on the screen and then dump boiling water over them to help dry em. but a 24hr soak AND a prolong boil is overkill.

look up wheat prep. wheat and rye are prepped the same:rockon:


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Re: Myco’s No Fail Quick Rye Tek [Re: mushboy]
    #26963502 - 10/01/20 09:23 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah that may be it. Maybe no soak only boil them for 20 mins and throw them in the jars. What do you use? WBS?


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Re: Myco’s No Fail Quick Rye Tek [Re: Mycopsilo]
    #26963506 - 10/01/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

i mostly use wbs. mainly because i can walk to get it and its cheeeeap.

but i grabbed a few bags of oats yesterday because they were even cheaper with coupons:money:


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Re: Myco’s No Fail Quick Rye Tek [Re: mushboy]
    #26963514 - 10/01/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah ballin on a budget lmao. How fast to colonize WBS?


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Re: Myco’s No Fail Quick Rye Tek [Re: Mycopsilo]
    #26963518 - 10/01/20 09:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

as fast as any well prepped grain with clean inoculate :awesomenod:

proper grains+clean inoculate=mountains of mushrooms:awedance:


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Re: Myco’s No Fail Quick Rye Tek [Re: mushboy]
    #26963548 - 10/01/20 09:51 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Purified water does not make sense to me, and while I see your explanation for it, if you PC your jars, the contams are going to be sterilized anyway.


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Re: Myco’s No Fail Quick Rye Tek [Re: mushboy]
    #26963613 - 10/01/20 10:35 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I got ya;]. I'll do some more. I will update with results and pics. For now I've got some PE and B+ jars going. BTW I've seen some of your posts and others like Bodhisatta. You guys do great things with shrooms. I'm curious about the trusted cultivator title. How do you get that? How do you get ratings? I mean I'm not looking to be an expert overnight, greatness and experience come with time. It's just I want to know what that's all about. Also, do you have any experience with dub tubs?


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Re: Myco’s No Fail Quick Rye Tek [Re: Mycopsilo]
    #26963626 - 10/01/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The TC thing? Click the badge it will give you a run down.

Anyone can give or receive ratings. I gave you 5 because you seem eager to learn and chill. You could give me a rating in return and the cycle continues or to another member ect..

Dub tubbing is fine but it's a waste of a tub in a way.


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Re: Myco’s No Fail Quick Rye Tek [Re: sleepless]
    #26963627 - 10/01/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The way I see it. Bacteria may be killed, but rust or lead continues to breakdown overtime. Therefore releasing more particles. I live in an old house. My tap water is a good 90ppm. I'd rather be safe and use pure water.


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Re: Myco’s No Fail Quick Rye Tek [Re: mushboy]
    #26963636 - 10/01/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I NOW UNDERSTAND... lol i read the badge info. I tried to rate you but since I'm so new to the site it wont allow it. It said i need 50 posts or be a supporter :eek: I'll get there at some point.


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Re: Myco’s No Fail Quick Rye Tek [Re: Mycopsilo]
    #26963938 - 10/01/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Mycopsilo said:
Yeah that may be it. Maybe no soak only boil them for 20 mins and throw them in the jars.




I think this is where you're going wrong - after you boil, strain out all the water and lay the grains down on a towel/screen/whatever and let them steam dry.  Like until you don't see steam anymore.  Stir 'em around with something during steaming.

After this, load your jars and do NOT add water, coffee, or anything wet.


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Re: Myco’s No Fail Quick Rye Tek [Re: Forrester]
    #26964033 - 10/01/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I don’t add water when they are done steaming. I think I just need to skip the soaking part.


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Re: Myco’s No Fail Quick Rye Tek [Re: Mycopsilo]
    #26964046 - 10/01/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I’ve never used poly for lids but a 3/4” GE hole sounds gigantic to me.


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