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Origin of Psilocybin
    #26963067 - 09/30/20 10:55 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

> Does anyone else wonder how the whole Psilocybin Genus expanded and how psilocybin, such a unique compound, was able to find itself producing in so many different species and across multiple different Genus' of mushroom? Do most/all mushrooms have the code for psilocybin production deep down in their genetic makeup and the ones which produce it have been exposed to the correct conditions (over time) which induce the production of it?.......or did psilocybin originate from a single species that  was able to expand and spread through other species eventually creating new species altogether? or were the spores of the original psilocybin containing mushroom carried from various parts of the earth by wind..animals etc and the unique conditions of each environment produced various psilocybin species over time?


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Re: Origin of Psilocybin [Re: sbkn]
    #26963085 - 09/30/20 11:12 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

We don't know but what one prevailing theory is that it made psilocybin/psilocin so animals and whatnot wouldn't eat it for better survival rates.  Animals eat the mushrooms, trip fucking face, never eat them again.  Makes sense to me from a biological standpoint.


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Re: Origin of Psilocybin [Re: sbkn]
    #26963100 - 09/30/20 11:29 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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sbkn said:
> Does anyone else wonder how the whole Psilocybin Genus expanded and how psilocybin, such a unique compound, was able to find itself producing in so many different species and across multiple different Genus' of mushroom? Do most/all mushrooms have the code for psilocybin production deep down in their genetic makeup and the ones which produce it have been exposed to the correct conditions (over time) which induce the production of it?.......or did psilocybin originate from a single species that  was able to expand and spread through other species eventually creating new species altogether? or were the spores of the original psilocybin containing mushroom carried from various parts of the earth by wind..animals etc and the unique conditions of each environment produced various psilocybin species over time?




Pretty much yes to all of that. :havesomescience:


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Re: Origin of Psilocybin [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #26963197 - 10/01/20 02:17 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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We don't know but what one prevailing theory is that it made psilocybin/psilocin so animals and whatnot wouldn't eat it for better survival rates.  Animals eat the mushrooms, trip fucking face, never eat them again.  Makes sense to me from a biological standpoint.





Yea this is a possibility as well but what is the case with insects and snails and other funghi-eating creatures without a mammalian brain?
Because they can still eat a huge amount of fruit bodies without tripping. Also snails love Amanita Phalloides which can easily kill off any mammal. Also there are dung lover mushrooms which "loves" to be eaten so they can reproduce..?

So many confusing questions about this subject, I just wrote some of my thoughts here


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Re: Origin of Psilocybin [Re: Revemu]
    #26964591 - 10/01/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

That is true, but remember evolution isn't conscious.  Even if all those insects snails etc. creatures are there, regardless the mushrooms with the psilocybin were eaten less then the mushrooms with it.  So that trait continued. I do wonder though how those pathways were evolving though before that too though.  so crazy.


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Re: Origin of Psilocybin [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #26965765 - 10/02/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

well how it works is the mushrooms produce spores that culminate on the grass which is eaten and pasteurized so it grows on dung - not from spores that land on dung when there are other mushrooms spreading spores.

could the mycelium produce psilocybin like the gut brain biome? like a symbiotic species.


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Re: Origin of Psilocybin [Re: zaros]
    #26965796 - 10/02/20 12:02 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Psilocybin/Psilocin might serve as a protection against insects, as suggested in this study:

"Strikingly, these structure elements are similar to those of
anti-oxidative compounds, such as flavonoids and polyphenolic
tannins.[23] In the basic and oxidative environment of insect guts,
such compounds act as producers of reactive oxygen species
and can thus create intestinal lesions which is presumably their
main mode of toxic action.[24] Therefore, polymeric psilocin may
serve a defense function."

Injury‐Triggered Blueing Reactions of Psilocybe “Magic” Mushrooms


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Re: Origin of Psilocybin [Re: zaros]
    #26966328 - 10/02/20 05:00 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I've never seen a mushroom growing off dung my self. Definitely near and around. The mycelium must be surviving multiple seasons. Since people talk about their spots. Where I live we get the same kind of mushrooms everywhere twice a year. In the same spots. I can imagine my local park at some days just pluming spores off into the south lands.


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Re: Origin of Psilocybin [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26966775 - 10/02/20 11:43 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Interesting discussion. Look at Poison Ivy. A heinous plant that grows everywhere. Along with its cousins Oak and Sumac.

Birds dogs cats deer et etc etc dont get it. Just humans. Hell birds eat the berries and redistribute the shit. Awful!

I feel like evolution plays a role. But whats the science. I wonder if deer and ahit eat mushrooms in general. Theres a 99% chance wild shrooms around here wont make em trip. So how so they discern? Things that make me wonder. I think psylocibin was put here for humans :smile:


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Re: Origin of Psilocybin [Re: RIPE]
    #26968060 - 10/03/20 06:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Edit-  Deleted my original post after reading these articles and realizing I did not know what I was talking about..“Horizontal gene cluster transfer increased hallucinogenic mushroom diversity”.. Wild stuff!

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/evl3.42


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sciencealert.com/magic-mushrooms-psilocybin-evolved-deter-predators-horizontal-gene-transfer/amp

https://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Horizontal_gene_transfer


Edited by Icyurmt (10/03/20 07:07 PM)


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