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Side hole in SAB for a torch - danger! * 1
    #26962654 - 09/30/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Ok so this just might explode ok?
But I'm trying it anyway with several caveats.
here it is

My thinking is not to disturb the air by going in and out of the SAB.
However there's a flame just outside so...

This is gonna take some trial and error, assuming I survive the error!
           
I spent some time going thru the motions to get an idea where the hole should be.

10 Oct 2020

I heated a Tomato Paste can and went thru the SAB like butter!

So far the ergonomics feel pretty good. I need more times in the SAB though.

So, ISO is problematic, I'm not isoing everything as I go so the SAB isn't full of fumes as far as I know.
Mebbe the Clorox has a flammable fume? I wipe all down with it before.

Anyway here it is.

So far the torch flame is 2" away, but it could easily be 3" .

16 Nov 2020
The conclusion! Update! I did the incense test further down...

Ya I'm having second thoughts about my idea.

Even though the flame is 2" away from the hole. The part about
filling the SAB with ISO vapors worries me, duh! I'm starting to
wipe everything down with ISO and using a paper towel carpet in the
SAB . In other words we be fumin! I really liked this idea,
but not so much now. Can't be clenching in case she blows!  :laugh2:

The End  :laugh2:
Time to close the thread?    Mushboy said: Nah I like your thread.    Woohoo!

Munchauzen said:
Ok.. so stop using the iso on everything. That really isn't necessary. Especially having a wet one on the bottom of the sab. Your stuff doesn't have to be drenched in alcohol. Try a few sessions just using iso on your gloves and nowhere else and see how it goes. Cause that's all I use it for.


Cool, I'll try that!
Ok, next phase: Just ISO on the gloves, no drenching. Dry SAB.
Slow movements. Marker on plate @ 3:00.
A couple Lysol wipes on the rack to work on (not flammable).

20 Nov 2020

Thank you Munch!

So I had to T4 some PR, Puerto Rican, because it was growing so fast or it's contam.
Anyway here's a video of the side hole in action.
I still plan to burn some incense and checkout airflow...

P9 already caught a sneak preview and spotted a problem in my form! 

                                   
     

The plates are sitting on Lysol wipes, they don't burn. I'm just thinking a little
sticky barrier on the rack...
With so many side contams, I want to position the mark on the bottom plate at 3:00.
Maybe I'll get some info from that. These are Corning glass plates with markings.
No towel, and a nice glass table!  :towelie:
I like piling books on the SAB to weigh it down.

"Incense is for Temple!" - Crooked Cucumber

23 Nov 2020

    Feel the Latex! 

Ok analyzing stuff that I do wrong in getting transfers...
Was kinda shaky today and also trying to keep distance on the scalpel.
 
                           


The side hole is working great. I still need to check air currents...

10 January 2022

So I finally broke out the Jukai graduation incense present.
. Raised the light, negligible heat.
Nice straight column of incense smoke.
    And finally the scalpel hole is not affected.
Side Hole



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Re: Side hole in SAB for a torch - danger! [Re: Inthepit]
    #26962659 - 09/30/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Actually, you are blowing air into your SAB. Don't over think things.


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Re: Side hole in SAB for a torch - danger! [Re: Tstone] * 1
    #26962681 - 09/30/20 07:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Also it seems like it could melt microscopic plastic particles making the space unclean.

If you can document consistent clean work and don't use a combustible substance to clean your SAB it could be OK. I have had success flame sterilizing outside my SAB so I won't be making this modification.

Just make sure safety is your top priority.


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Re: Side hole in SAB for a torch - danger! [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #26962689 - 09/30/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks Cocaine, the flame is not that close, I need another pic.
But ya, we could file this in "over the top" sure.


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Re: Side hole in SAB for a torch - danger! [Re: CocaineBuffet] * 1
    #26962695 - 09/30/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

That flame is guaranteed to be stirring up air in your box.  I hate to be a Dennis downer (I like that you're thinking...wait for it...wait for it... outside the box) :vaped:  but no way it's not churning that air.


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Re: Side hole in SAB for a torch - danger! [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #26962706 - 09/30/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Wait wait, I'll get out the incense!  :rofl:
Would like to see air currents in the SAB anyway...


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Re: Side hole in SAB for a torch - danger! [Re: Inthepit] * 1
    #26962714 - 09/30/20 07:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Good idea,  but given the density of the smoke,  it might not be a tell-all.  That said, it'll definitely tell you something.  :thumbup:


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Re: Side hole in SAB for a torch - danger! [Re: Inthepit]
    #26962719 - 09/30/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Side hole in SAB for a torch - danger! [Re: Inthepit]
    #26962724 - 09/30/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Inthepit said:
Ok so this just might explode ok?
But I'm trying it anyway with several caveats.
here it is

My thinking is not to disturb the air by going in and out of the SAB.
However there's a flame just outside so...

This is gonna take some trial and error, assuming I survive the error!
  I spent some time going thru the motions to get an idea where the hole should be.
I heated a Tomato Paste can and went thru the SAB like butter!

So far the ergonomics feel pretty good. I need more times in the SAB though.

So, ISO is problematic, I'm not isoing everything as I go so the SAB isn't full of fumes as far as I know.
Mebbe the the Clorox has a flammable fume? I wipe all down with it before.

Anyway here it is.

So far the torch flame is 2" away, but it could easily be 3" .




I don't see any problem with this. At first the perspective did look like the flame is going in, but I can tell its pointing up instead. Best of luck!


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Re: Side hole in SAB for a torch - danger! [Re: Munchauzen]
    #26962735 - 09/30/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Hi Doc and thanks Munchauzen! I know everyone's getting thrown by the pics,
I need better pics. But to be fair, it could be dangerous...:facepalm:


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Re: Side hole in SAB for a torch - danger! [Re: Inthepit]
    #26962740 - 09/30/20 07:50 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

just don't wipe the sab down with alcohol and it should be fine


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Re: Side hole in SAB for a torch - danger! [Re: Munchauzen]
    #26962749 - 09/30/20 07:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks my latest thing is a towel soaked in Clorox and wrung out.
I wipe everything down and it goes under the rack. Then I leave the
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Re: Side hole in SAB for a torch - danger! [Re: Inthepit]
    #26962758 - 09/30/20 08:01 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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Thanks my latest thing is a towel soaked in Clorox and wrung out.
I wipe everything down and it goes under the rack. Then I leave the
SAB for an hour.




This is a bit off topic and I dont want to take away from your thread but I recently read that IPA doesn't kill mold spores. Supposedly bleach won't kill them on porous surfaces and vinegar will. I'm still trying to find as much info as possible but was considering using vinegar to wipe down everything from now on. But god... I hate the smell of that shit.


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Re: Side hole in SAB for a torch - danger! [Re: Doctor Mario]
    #26962764 - 09/30/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Fuckin A Doc, I can't stand the smell of vinegar, it runs me outta the house!

And, side note, for killing spores, this place is full of mold spores.
As far as I'm concerned it's in the air everywhere. I mean the couch
gets moldy, my sweatshirt in the dresser got moldy. This hot tropical
island is one big petri dish!
So I go with the tek of getting the SAB wet and sticky and waiting awhile to work.

I really think my biggest improvement came in respecting what happens
if I take the cover off the pertri dish too fast or drop the bottom.
I believe the air is full of mold spores and they got sucked in!
I've considerably dropped my contam rate by being veeery careful that way.

Ok say goodnight Gracey!


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Re: Side hole in SAB for a torch - danger! [Re: Inthepit]
    #26962824 - 09/30/20 08:37 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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Thanks my latest thing is a towel soaked in Clorox and wrung out.
I wipe everything down and it goes under the rack. Then I leave the
SAB for an hour.



I just wait for the AC to turn off, and goto work. dry sab on glass table. the most cleaning i do is wiping the glass top off with iso and letting it dry before putting the sab on.


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Re: Side hole in SAB for a torch - danger! [Re: Munchauzen]
    #26962857 - 09/30/20 08:53 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Hmmm, heard the dry SAB before. So many variables,
I mean as a noob, I'm improving on 2 or 3 things a session.

I could try a dry tub fur sur. It's still about still air.


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Re: Side hole in SAB for a torch - danger! [Re: Inthepit]
    #26962870 - 09/30/20 08:58 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

im just kinda lazy tbh. if there is a running theme thru all my teks and posts, its that i try to minimize time & effort at every opportunity

that and i dont have tons of free time to be waiting around on microcurrents to settle


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Re: Side hole in SAB for a torch - danger! [Re: Munchauzen]
    #26962874 - 09/30/20 09:01 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'm all for it and I really dig the tips you give peeps! :hatsoff:


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Re: Side hole in SAB for a torch - danger! [Re: Inthepit]
    #26962894 - 09/30/20 09:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I live in a pretty moldy part of the world too. There was fungus growing on the floor by the shower when I moved into this house. And when it warms up, theres fkn pollen everywhere. It's a thick yellow dust that just sticks to everything. Went outside one day and my black truck was pale yellow.

I've been doing the wet air box tek too. Theres too much shit floating around the house to just wipe things down. I long for the day I own a flow hood.


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Re: Side hole in SAB for a torch - danger! [Re: Munchauzen]
    #27041676 - 11/16/20 06:41 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Ya I'm having second thoughts about my idea.

         

Even though the flame is 2" away from the hole. The part about
filling the SAB with ISO vapors worries me, duh! I'm starting to
wipe everything down with ISO and using a paper towel carpet in the
SAB . In other words we be fumin! I really liked this idea,
but not so much now. Can't be clenching in case she blows!  :laugh2:


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Re: Side hole in SAB for a torch - danger! [Re: Inthepit] * 1
    #27041721 - 11/16/20 07:18 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

A torch inside or flame inside of the sab is not a good idea. Not because you have a higher concentration of flammable vapors/liquids but rather because it moves air around. A Still Air Box needs have still air inside for it to work properly, so putting a flame inside would be counterproductive by pushing air around.


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Re: Side hole in SAB for a torch - danger! [Re: MH5109]
    #27041734 - 11/16/20 07:28 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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A torch inside or flame inside of the sab is not a good idea.



:laugh2:  Are you responding to this thread? There isn't any reference
to a flame inside.
Maybe you were just reading that old thread...


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    #27042095 - 11/16/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Ok.. so stop using the iso on everything. That really isn't necessary. Especially having a wet one on the bottom of the sab. Your stuff doesn't have to be drenched in alcohol. Try a few sessions just using iso on your gloves and nowhere else and see how it goes. Cause that's all I use it for.


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Re: Side hole in SAB for a torch - danger! [Re: Munchauzen]
    #27042131 - 11/16/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Bear in mind those alcohol vapours can be ignited not only by the flame itself but also due to the red hot metal at the end of the scalpel - especially in an enclosed space. So if you don't wait for it to cool off sufficiently before pulling it back in the SAB, that's also a way it can go boom.


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Re: Side hole in SAB for a torch - danger! [Re: Munchauzen]
    #27048391 - 11/20/20 05:43 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Munchauzen said:
Ok.. so stop using the iso on everything. That really isn't necessary.
Especially having a wet one on the bottom of the sab. Your stuff doesn't have to be drenched in alcohol.
Try a few sessions just using iso on your gloves and nowhere else and see how it goes.
Cause that's all I use it for.



Thank you Munch!

So I had to T4 some PR, Puerto Rican, because it was growing so fast or it's contam.
Anyway here's a video of the side hole in action.
I still plan to burn some incense and checkout airflow...

P9 already caught a sneak preview and spotted a problem in my form!               
     

The plates are sitting on Lysol wipes, they don't burn. I'm just thinking a little
sticky barrier on the rack...
With so many side contams, I want to position the mark on the bottom plate at 3:00.
Maybe I'll get some info from that. These are Corning glass plates with markings.
No towel, and a nice glass table!  :towelie:
I like piling books on the SAB to weigh it down.

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Re: Side hole in SAB for a torch - danger! [Re: Inthepit]
    #27053309 - 11/23/20 02:51 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Ok analyzing stuff that I do wrong in getting transfers...
Was kinda shaky today and also trying to keep distance on the scalpel.
 
                           


The side hole is working great. I still need to check air currents...


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Re: Side hole in SAB for a torch - danger! [Re: Inthepit]
    #27053332 - 11/23/20 04:19 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

wouldnt the heat from the torch move air around inside the SAB?


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    #27053356 - 11/23/20 04:48 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Good question greenladel, and I really have to get to that experiment soon!
I plan to burn incense at various locations to see!

But also to see what happens when you pull your forearm in and out too...

Edit: I have to get my SAB work down better, then explore the side hole effects.
I need to get auto contams down to 5%!


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    #27053426 - 11/23/20 06:06 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

good call. i am keen to see the results.
i have almost no experience with SABs and growing mushrooms so i do not fully understand the potential flaws and benefits, but i can definitely see it helping keep things clean and convenient, provided the flaws do not outweigh that.

good luck. keep us updated


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    #27613922 - 01/10/22 09:37 AM (2 years, 18 days ago)

So I finally broke out the Jukai graduation incense present.
. Raised the light, negligible heat.
Nice straight column of incense smoke.
    And finally the scalpel hole is not affected.
Side Hole


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    #27727068 - 04/09/22 10:09 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

i would move those books next time :wink:


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Re: Side hole in SAB for a torch - danger! [Re: Inthepit]
    #27727100 - 04/09/22 10:31 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

The human impulse to tinker with everything is awesome!
Looks good!


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