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Re: 4shrom ukraine asshole - semilanceata grow from wild sample [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #26989016 - 10/16/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Man my eyes are getting bad.  I can't  quite tell: what all did you use for that casing?


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Re: 4shrom ukraine asshole - semilanceata grow from wild sample [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #26989041 - 10/16/20 07:18 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

i dont know if you can call it a full casing,

but its grains spawned to coir/verm


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Re: 4shrom ukraine asshole - semilanceata grow from wild sample [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #26991994 - 10/18/20 08:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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in wild nature, you never see semi mycelium on the surface
you see it below the roots of the grass clumps





Mostly yeah. But the way I thought of it was like imagining the natural surface but without the grass, maybe it would come to the surface but we generally dont see it due to the grass etc.

Or take my ps. Cyanescens experiment for example, it kept colonizing the top layer until the final mossy layer which it did creep into enough to feel that it was at the top. Eventually it stopped trying to colonise the top layer.

Are you planning to introduce grass seed to grow in the shoebox?

What is your plan for the shoe box as it progresses?

I am very much thinking of trying my own semi experiment again very soon *thoughtful face*


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Re: 4shrom ukraine asshole - semilanceata grow from wild sample [Re: Zenn]
    #26992033 - 10/18/20 09:07 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I'd try a proper casing if you can get some peat.  The surface in that last photo looked pretty dried out to my eyes.  I saw someone use soil and plant grass before too to create a microclimate.  But that c/v is definitely not ideal .  Curious how this will work out as well.  Excited to start my efforts and join the club.  Might try grass in my tub... (even though I have seen it labeled as "unnecessary " or something like by one of the exotics old hats.).  Works well to create a microclimate and according to science,  it apparently plays a role in its natural developmental cycle...


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Re: 4shrom ukraine asshole - semilanceata grow from wild sample [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #26992128 - 10/18/20 10:55 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

we'll see.. i mean this is no small task. its put down and destroyed so many overconfident growers who thought they could at least get fruits.

And im constantly counfounded by this mycelium and how ut looks



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Re: 4shrom ukraine asshole - semilanceata grow from wild sample [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #26992134 - 10/18/20 11:07 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

live grass cant be introduced in a sterile way.

grass seeds can be sterilized, but then they dont sprout and create a root system

but from what ive seen of the indoor grows, they dont depend on any root system bullshit at all. thats just a dead end in my opinion

I'll be the ignorant speartip, zen and alaska.

But I do have a lot of  crazy and dumb ideas on how to try to fruit it:

- The basic idea already done: clean grains to coir/verm, small shoebox testout to see what happens

- a mix with grass seeds that are PCed? "Classic: coir, lime, gypsum, grass seeds, mixed in bags or jars
- transplanting a overwhelming amount of spawn to a small patch of live grass that i have created for this grow to see the response

getting a clean jar, taking it to straw, i have a sneaking suspicion that semis might pin from straight straw spawned to coir

there are no great logs of people actually trying to find their way, just a few few logs of some really great people that managed to fruit them

so working on getting vast amounts of spawn is the idea, and
spawning a jar of semi myc to a straight straw bag,
seems a more credible idea than the basic one, grains to coir/verm

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also im wondering if its a good idea to just take the shoebox outside, its fruiting weather now, indoors probably wont be any good


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Re: 4shrom ukraine asshole - semilanceata grow from wild sample [Re: smalltalk_canceled] * 1
    #26992150 - 10/18/20 11:30 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I dont think they do NEED a root system, just dead grasses and other materials they can feed from, hence the direction I originally took with my project before. I wouldnt call it bullshit, as the areas they are found best in nature are areas life old farm land that have a lot of dead grass,roots, other decaying organic matter that has built up in those spots undisturbed over time, so that the ground/substrate has sufficient nutrients. Grass also feeds on dead grass.
So they may not NEED the root system but they benefit from feeding on nutrient grass roots in particular can obtain. So this is my guess as to why there have been successful projects with a straw heavy spawn. Saprotrophic after all :smile:

Building a stock of spawn to try out different things could be a good idea.


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Re: 4shrom ukraine asshole - semilanceata grow from wild sample [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #26992151 - 10/18/20 11:32 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah low temps for fruiting appears to be a must.  No reason to be sterile with grass seed btw: it's an open air project after spawning.  Your actual casing material just needs proper pasteurization. I regard the grass less as a tool for mycelial growth within the substrate btw  (obviously that's unnecessary).  Grass just makes a superb microclimate I've seen work well with multiple exotics.  I'm currently just using 50/50 (peat/verm) for most of my exotics atm and potting soil with sand added for another and having no problems.  Will probably do at least one tub with living grass with semi though.  Because fun and diversification.  Interesting idea about straw.  I considered doing a straw/manure tub for fun with semi.  Would definitely work better with manure.  Most species benefit from manure (across the spectrum of exotics), and with semis this would be especially true.  That being said: spearhead away brotha :radman:  Enjoying your spirit of adventure.


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Re: 4shrom ukraine asshole - semilanceata grow from wild sample [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #27054384 - 11/23/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)



State of grow, surviving myc

The white growth is either not semi or it keeps tricking me


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