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Enlil said: He wasn't talking historically. He was talking about now.
You think Trump was saying the US hasn't had fire problems until now? I seriously doubt that.
Trump didn’t know anything about fires until he visited “pleasure” after the town burned to the ground
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Enlil said: What response is there? Trump made it up. Why should anyone have to respond to his made up shit?
Biden could have corrected Trump by saying he only called them predators, and that Hillary was the one that called them super predators.
He didn’t call “them” predators. That’s a lie. And now you’re lying. Again.
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What was his response to calling black guys predators
Same as mine probably .... how fucking stupid is this guy , that was actually Hillary Clinton that said that , 30 years ago .
Yes, Hillary Clinton was actually the one who used the term "Super Predators" 30 years ago.
Interesting to note, though: Clinton used that term in the context of defending the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, which was co-written by both Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden and signed into action by Bill Clinton.
What was the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, you might ask? Well, it did a number of things:
- Banned assault weapons at the federal level
- Added 60 new crimes to the list of crimes punishable by death, including terrorism and drive-by-shootings
- Overturned a section of the Higher Education Act of 1965, which previously allowed prison inmates to receive a Pell grant for college. After Biden/Clinton's Bill, no grants were awarded to inmates for higher education.
- Allocated $1.6 billion to law enforcement for the purpose of investigating violent crimes against women (primarily domestic violence and sexual assault)
- Prior to the bill, DMV's published information on license-holders that disclosed whether or not they had received abortions, which led to Pro-lifers harassing them. The 1994 bill required DMV's to keep this information private.
- Required the state to track the residence of sex offenders for ten years after an offense.
- Allocated $30 billion to a police recruitment program, which led to the hiring of over 100,000 additional police officers nationwide
- Not all prisons require inmates to serve their full sentences at conviction (being let go early for good behavior or whatnot). The 1994 bill financially rewarded all prisons which required all inmates to serve 85% or more of their sentences at conviction.
- More, including allocation of tax money to build new prisons and manual drug tests for those serving federal supervised release time.
This bill was an extremely significant change in US policy, which opened up a whole new bipartisan debate on how to deal with crime. It was also a critical factor that led to a problem we weren't facing prior to the nineties: mass incarceration (a problem which primarily affects black Americans).
My takeaway from all of this information is the following: No, Joe Biden never referred to black Americans as "Super Predators." That was Hillary Clinton, and she didn't explicitly say that these "Super Predators" were black. It's quite clear that Trump mentioned this during the debate to try to characterize Joe Biden as an overt racist, and he's just not. However, all of that said, Biden was responsible for drafting a crime bill which led to a serious problem that disproportionately affects black Americans. Biden may not be an overt racist, but due to his political history, I'd hesitate to call him a hero for black Americans to look up to.
It really sucks that neither of these candidates are really allies for black Americans.
Biden isn't a hero, really? https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-says-poor-kids-are-just-bright-just-talented-white-n1040686
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Re: The presidential debate [Re: qman]
#26962523 - 09/30/20 05:46 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Biden owes his career to the support of black constituents. He’s not racist
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#26962547 - 09/30/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Biden owes his career to the support of black constituents. He’s not racist
Laughable, like getting support from some blacks in a corrupt two party system automatically deletes his long record of racist acts and comments.
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Re: The presidential debate [Re: qman]
#26962557 - 09/30/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Umm.. I have relatives in the US, including my niece (9) and nephew (10). These kids, who speak fluent English as their first language, were blown away by that this is how adults talk, and that with such important talks for all the nation and the world.
Their father: "I watched the whole thing and it was downright scandalous."
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Re: The presidential debate [Re: koods]
#26962777 - 09/30/20 08:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: What response is there? Trump made it up. Why should anyone have to respond to his made up shit?
Biden could have corrected Trump by saying he only called them predators, and that Hillary was the one that called them super predators.
He didn’t call “them” predators. That’s a lie. And now you’re lying. Again.
“Biden did warn in a 1993 speech of "predators on our streets" who were "beyond the pale" in support of the crime bill.“ https://www.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics?id=factcheck_c4c0f070-0962-4abf-bd6b-65959b3c3b5d
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Re: The presidential debate [Re: Billy Ray]
#26962779 - 09/30/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, and he was talking about criminals. Why do you equate criminals with black people?
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Re: The presidential debate [Re: Enlil]
#26962782 - 09/30/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I didn’t.
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Re: The presidential debate [Re: Billy Ray]
#26962785 - 09/30/20 08:15 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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his statement is like a Rorschach test. Some people see butterflies and racists see black people.
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Re: The presidential debate [Re: Billy Ray]
#26962787 - 09/30/20 08:15 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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So, then what does that post have to do with the false accusation that Biden called black people predators?
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Re: The presidential debate [Re: Billy Ray]
#26962798 - 09/30/20 08:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Where does biden call black people predators in there? Sounds like peoplw are running on assumptions on this one
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Re: The presidential debate [Re: Enlil]
#26962810 - 09/30/20 08:30 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: So, then what does that post have to do with the false accusation that Biden called black people predators?
I didn’t care to review this thread to see the shit people are spewing. I didn’t see anything about black people. I saw Koods say Biden didn’t call “them” predators. Idk who Koods is referring to when he said “them,” but Biden did call a group of people predators.
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Re: The presidential debate [Re: Billy Ray]
#26962812 - 09/30/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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So you jumped into the middle of a conversation without knowing anything about what was said.
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Re: The presidential debate [Re: koods]
#26962826 - 09/30/20 08:38 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yea.
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#26962836 - 09/30/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's a really good way to make oneself look stupid.
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#26962880 - 09/30/20 09:04 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lol it happens. I’m able to admit when I’m wrong. I hope someday people in this forum can do the same.
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#26963071 - 09/30/20 10:58 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Biden owes his career to the support of black constituents. He’s not racist
Biden is obviously not an overt racist. However, he has drafted policy that directly contributed to systemic racism, like in the example I shared from 1994.
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#26963152 - 10/01/20 12:54 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: he was talking about criminals. Why do you equate criminals with black people?
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Biden said: Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids
Maybe that'll clue you in about Biden.
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Re: The presidential debate [Re: Billy Ray]
#26963292 - 10/01/20 05:10 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Billy Ray said: Lol it happens. I’m able to admit when I’m wrong. I hope someday people in this forum can do the same.
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