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Invisiblebob5

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4-aco-dmt + Syrian Rue (dosage adjustment?)
    #26960393 - 09/29/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Hello,
I'm tempted to try this combination. But I'm curious as to what I should do differently.
Should I halve the dose? And how should I time things?
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I really like 4-aco-dmt - except for; it gives me a nasty anxiety inducing come up, which is quite prolonged.
Then the actual high (which is awesome) is comparatively brief.

So it's maybe, 1.5hours comeup. 40min peak, then an hour coming down... and I seem to be sober about 4hours after taking it. I have a ridiculously fast metabolism.
So when should I take the Rue? about 40minutes before or 30mins, 20mins e.t.c?
I'm hoping to extend the duration with this combination.
Also, do I take less 4-aco-dmt? how much less would you reckon, half? same dosage?
I will be taking the same amount of Syrian Rue seeds I did for ayahuasca (3.2g in tea)


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Re: 4-aco-dmt + Syrian Rue (dosage adjustment?) [Re: bob5]
    #26960468 - 09/29/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

My best Psilohuasca experience using 4-ACO and Rue was with 2.5 grams of Rue, 35mgs of 4-ACO, 4 grams of Lemon Balm, taking the 4-ACO and Lemon Balm i believe 30 minutes after the Rue, but 30 minutes to an hour between should be fine. I wouldn't recommend going over 35mgs of 4-ACO with Rue since it should be strong enough already, as for the Rue maybe 2.5 to 3.5 to 4.5 grams, but i'd say 2.5 to 3.5 grams.

The duration of this Psilohuasca should be about 9 hours or so, depending on the Rue dosage and timing the experience can last between 7 to 12 hours, ime.

It's a hell of a nice combination, i highly recommend it.


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Re: 4-aco-dmt + Syrian Rue (dosage adjustment?) [Re: Sabnock] * 1
    #26960482 - 09/29/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

oh wow!!! :heart: 9 hours of 4-aco-dmt, that'd be incredible.

Does the Rue increase the strength of the 4-aco-dmt? how much by, 25% 50% double?
Also, lemon balm. I like that stuff, nice and dreamy. What made you add that into the mix,?


Excited now. Just need to detox the Kanna out of my system and I will try this the day after tomorrow.


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Re: 4-aco-dmt + Syrian Rue (dosage adjustment?) [Re: bob5]
    #26960640 - 09/29/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I added Lemon Balm to the mix because after i stumbled upon it and mixed it with my Rue and Acacia/Mimosa and realizing how smoother the come up was, i decided i'd likely add it to all my Psychedelics from now on, plus i was taking the Psilohuasca with my gf who was taking it too albeit 25mgs of 4-ACO where i was on 35mgs, and she prefers to have a smoother experience with less of a chance of uncomfortableness, even though i told her there's good in challenging and disciplining experiences, but i too prefer a smoother experience, feeling less on edge during the come up.

But yeah the Rue does increase the strength of the 4-ACO and resulting Psilocin, but idk the exact percentages, i just know that 20 to 25mgs of 4-ACO was effective but like a light on the DMT Aya experience, when i bumped the 4-ACO up to 35mgs, i had an experience much more to my liking and the usual kind of space/effects i get into on proper Aya dosages, like talking in tongues, full on ecstatic states with a shit ton of euphoria, learning things, seeing things from different perspectives, feeling connected to that Aya/Tryptamine space, connected to the soul/spirit within me, i remember fully understanding the word "psychedelia" during that experience, it was equal in strength and power to my Aya experiences but less intense, less serious, more relaxed and gentler than my Aya experiences.

The higher the Rue dosage, the less 4-ACO (or DMT) will be needed for full effect, and the duration lengthens out the higher the Rue does goes too. Also as the Rue dosage goes up, it can become a totally different kind of experience and medicine, i consider 4 to 4.5 grams of Rue to be about proper Aya territory, but if Rue is taken regularly and the reverse tolerance builds up making the Harmala content stronger and stronger, there will be layers/aspects of the Rue that comes out and changes up the kind of medicine it is. But with that said, 2.5 grams of the Rue with that 35mgs of 4-ACO was no doubt a pretty powerful medicine, but that's one of the good things about the Huascas is that it can be many things and there's a variety of ways to use it and dosage is more important than people realize, in determining the kind of experience one will have.


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