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Marxcelium
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Mateja]
#26746643 - 06/15/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just ran out of verm, so I'll give this a shot next time I do cakes. Thanks, Mateah!
I'm in the middle of my first run with your HC tek, so hopefully that pans out and I never have to look back:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26746175/page/1
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Soccrates]
#26747217 - 06/15/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Soccrates said: But to be fair, it's not the same as regular pf tek. Way more water. I was pretty much wondering if you used extra water to account for the brf taking moisture
I don't know why coir cakes would contain "way more water" than verm cakes also I haven't checked that specifically so I don't know. Obviously two different materials won't have identical properties but I don't think those differences are significant in this case. To answer the second part of the post I didn't add any extra water, I've always done verm cakes the same way I do coir cakes now. I hydrate the verm/coir to field capacity and then mix with BRF. I don't really get the "account for BRF taking moisture" part sry. How did you make your Coir BRF mix?
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Marxcelium said: I just ran out of verm, so I'll give this a shot next time I do cakes. Thanks, Mateah!
I'm in the middle of my first run with your HC tek, so hopefully that pans out and I never have to look back:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26746175/page/1
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Edited by Mateja (06/15/20 06:23 PM)
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Mateja]
#26747274 - 06/15/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I didn't make any. I wasn't trying to be a smartass either. But, expanded coir seems like it should have much more water per volume than vermiculite. I guess I haven't really measured to be certain.
And the rice is gonna absorb water, and thereby dry the coir. I was wondering if you added extra, or just normal field capacity.
I guess I'm just overthinking it. Sorry. I got it now, though
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Soccrates]
#26747340 - 06/15/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Soccrates said: I didn't make any. I wasn't trying to be a smartass either.
LOL I wasn't trying to be a smart ass either, I mistook you for Sockadin my bad (he's doing coir cakes that's why I asked how he made them) 
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But, expanded coir seems like it should have much more water per volume than vermiculite. I guess I haven't really measured to be certain.
And the rice is gonna absorb water, and thereby dry the coir. I was wondering if you added extra, or just normal field capacity.
I guess I'm just overthinking it. Sorry. I got it now, though
After I quick search I found someone mention that 16lbs (7.2kg) of vermiculite occupies 4 square feet (1.13m2 or 113L) 9% of 7200g=648g 9% of 113L=10.17L. So from 650g coir I get around 10L and 648g of dry vermiculite occupies 10.17L so these two products at least on paper seem to be very similar in water absorption.
Rice flour will definitely absorb water from hydrated verm or coir, otherwise myc would probably have a 'hard' time digesting it
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ttching8475
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Mateja]
#26785309 - 06/26/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Coming back from a cult hiatus & I saw this thread a few weeks back & thought it looked like a fun grow to try out.
Ten little coir cakes in the pc tonight.
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: ttching8475]
#26801552 - 07/03/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: ttching8475]
#26801837 - 07/03/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I will inoculate ~50 of these tonight but this time I went for 1:1 recipe in the mixand, meaning equal parts hydrated coir to BRF. Wanna see if anything will differ.
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Mateja]
#26908012 - 08/30/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Trying out one of my modified ziplocks as a mini HC.
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: ttching8475]
#26908330 - 08/30/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yo that looks like one of my cakes lol *projecting expectations*
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Mateja]
#26955792 - 09/26/20 09:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Coir cake vs coir cake spawned to coir.
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: ttching8475]
#26955802 - 09/26/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is dope and a much cheaper solution than verm. Good shit Mateah.
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: JHOVA]
#26955827 - 09/26/20 09:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is amazing! Not only is coir easier to get than verm (cheap and no online order neccesary) its also renewable, which verm isnt. Will never recommend it any other way from now on
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ttching8475
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: ttching8475]
#26959885 - 09/29/20 08:23 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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ttching8475 said:

Coir cake vs coir cake spawned to coir.

Current progress

As expected, the cake spawned to coir yielded way less than a similar volume of grain spawn when fruited in the modified containers. The fruiting tendencies were also fairly similar to when I worked with the variety in 2018. A 2nd flush example from those grows:

The cake is taking longer to fruit but I think it will yield more and has some nice looking clone candidates. 

I want to try these cakes again, but with an LC next time.
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: ttching8475]
#26959895 - 09/29/20 08:31 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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a few years ago, I started some coir PF-Tek jars with the intention of making a 'bulk pf-tek' writeup. my jars molded and I forgot about the project, but I think my issue was the LC used, not the approach itself. glad to see someone else taking a stab. maybe I'll try again with quart jars.
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Munchauzen]
#26960174 - 09/29/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Munch it can work. This guy used chopsticks/bamboo stick to create channels down the sides of his pint jars and shot his LC down them to get full colonization.

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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: JHOVA] 1
#26960243 - 09/29/20 12:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Damn that is clever!
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ttching8475
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Munchauzen]
#26967313 - 10/03/20 10:03 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just in time for the full moon.
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Munchauzen] 1
#26967318 - 10/03/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said: a few years ago, I started some coir PF-Tek jars with the intention of making a 'bulk pf-tek' writeup. my jars molded and I forgot about the project, but I think my issue was the LC used, not the approach itself. glad to see someone else taking a stab. maybe I'll try again with quart jars.

oh shit I apparently published this tek 
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24170838
I should probably revisit it at sometime and get some fruits to show off
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ttching8475
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Munchauzen]
#26967781 - 10/03/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I cloned one of the thick girls.
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Re: Making Coir-BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Mateja]
#27216651 - 02/20/21 12:30 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just found your Tek just in time. You mentioned you were making a batch of 50 jars. How did it work? It would be great to see when it's working. As I am in the same situation that in my country Vermiculite is incredible expensive. I might still use it as contamination barrier. On the picture it looks like you left the lids completely open? correct? Any experience with spores? Because I would go that way.
Btw great thanks also for the Water Tub Tek. Was a great success for me.
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