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Re: Shroom TINCTURE (The REAL purple drank) [Re: nektar61]
#27029959 - 11/09/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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nektar61 said: A lot. After about a month, it's about half as strong .
Would freezing the tincture help to preserve it?
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Re: Shroom TINCTURE (The REAL purple drank) [Re: jeftek]
#27030011 - 11/09/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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nektar61 said: A lot. After about a month, it's about half as strong .
Would freezing the tincture help to preserve it?
Maybe.
But I'm guessing that making a tincture increases the surface area of active molecules exposed to oxygen regardless of temperature.
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Re: Shroom TINCTURE (The REAL purple drank) [Re: Sir Pentinite]
#27079732 - 12/08/20 11:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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nektar61 said: I don't have a basis for the vit C, but it's hearsay that sounds right. May have come from a tek for some herbal non-psychedelic tincture I heard 40 years ago. Can't remember.
Vit C is used, I think, as a preservative in some foods. Also, isn't there something with taking lemons and shrooms to potentiate? Might be some sort of ascorbic acid voodoo.
Can't hurt. Maybe. I mean, didn't harm me, and the thing I made was potent, maybe more potent than the shrooms alone, but I took it a day after I made it. Will be interested to see long term keeping power with this.
Haha, it's not voodoo or imagination or bad memory on your part, ascorbic acid is an acid, just like some of us use (or did) to extract DMT or other alkaloids from their host species. Whether or not it's necessary or helpful in extracting actives from mushrooms I don't know, but I'd agree it likely is (re: lemon tek mostly). I would also agree that it can't do anything but help in preservation, although again I don't know if it's any better than alcohol or not. I would like to do some experiments in this to find out, maybe some day I'll get around to it...
What a coincidence that you bring that up because I've been wondering about it lately. I generally make lemon tek 50% lemon juice and 50% water and there is no noticeable degradation after 4-5 weeks in the fridge. The last batch I cut lemon juice down to 25% and potency was definitely dropping by 2 weeks and was pretty low by 4-5 to the point that each gram equivalent felt like 0.2-0.3. Anecdotal at best, but perhaps something to go on.
Thought I'd follow-up with an observation. The last batch of lemon tek was made in equal parts lemon juice/water on Oct. 30 and kept in the fridge. Potency now 6.5 weeks later is indistinguishable from the day it was made. It's probably going to grow mold or something before it gets weak.
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Re: Shroom TINCTURE (The REAL purple drank) [Re: nektar61]
#27201582 - 02/12/21 12:50 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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nektar61 said: A lot. After about a month, it's about half as strong .
Any three month update? I'm looking for a tincture TEK with good long-term storage results (freezer).
Any thoughts on only using ethanol (eliminating the water step - since it might encourage oxidation)? I've seen RR and others more experienced than I suggesting that less water is better.
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Re: Shroom TINCTURE (The REAL purple drank) [Re: Maylink]
#27201923 - 02/12/21 03:19 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey, great work on the tincture.
For storage, would amber glass be beneficial?
The extract vial posted on page one, first thing I noticed is that it is clear.
I understand oxygen breaks down the alkaloid; would light/UV as well?
I look forward to attempting a double pull, everclear and water. Hope I sparked some thoughts, carry on!
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Re: Shroom TINCTURE (The REAL purple drank) [Re: nektar61]
#27510408 - 10/19/21 04:02 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Very interesting! Is there any reason one couldn't use fresh shrooms?
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Re: Shroom TINCTURE (The REAL purple drank) [Re: Mushtash]
#27522123 - 10/28/21 09:03 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cool tek. Thanks for sharing  - I wonder why mixing both solutions before the evaporation step, when you could just evaporate the water solution and later mixing it with ethanol solution?
- Why do you need to evaporate ethanol at all? If you want less ethanol in final solution, then you could start with less ethanol.
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Re: Shroom TINCTURE (The REAL purple drank) [Re: nektar61]
#28118364 - 12/31/22 04:07 AM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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Yeah, hippy lore can't be kind of funny sometimes. Tweaker lore too. between hearing about jumper cables and Raid, or burying rye seed with oranges , there is so much disinfo put out through the years it's ridiculous.
Hell, just read some of the crap that Fester put out
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Re: Shroom TINCTURE (The REAL purple drank) [Re: ShadowLite] 1
#28118545 - 12/31/22 08:44 AM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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ShadowLite said: Yeah, hippy lore can't be kind of funny sometimes. Tweaker lore too. between hearing about jumper cables and Raid, or burying rye seed with oranges , there is so much disinfo put out through the years it's ridiculous.
Hell, just read some of the crap that Fester put out
Can you elaborate on what any of what you said there has to do with this thread, or was there a particular post you were replying in reference to? It's kind of an old thread and to bump it over a year later with that is a bit confusing...
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Re: Shroom TINCTURE (The REAL purple drank) [Re: Forrester]
#28118588 - 12/31/22 09:30 AM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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Hell, just read some of the crap that Fester put out
Can you elaborate on what any of what you said there has to do with this thread, or was there a particular post you were replying in reference to? It's kind of an old thread and to bump it over a year later with that is a bit confusing...
I was thinking the same thing.. lol
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Re: Shroom TINCTURE (The REAL purple drank) [Re: moonzo]
#28271602 - 04/10/23 06:40 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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Sorry for the bump, but did anyone figure if frozen tincture/tea whatever lasted say 4 months or longer when frozen? It would really help with commerce for people who are just not interested in chomping shrooms or are paralyzed with the idea they are going to screw up making tea themselves.
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Re: Shroom TINCTURE (The REAL purple drank) [Re: kuman30]
#28271622 - 04/10/23 06:48 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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If you’re going to freeze it just make tea and reduce it a lot. No alcohol needed
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Re: Shroom TINCTURE (The REAL purple drank) [Re: kuman30]
#28271649 - 04/10/23 07:02 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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kuman30 said: Sorry for the bump, but did anyone figure if frozen tincture/tea whatever lasted say 4 months or longer when frozen? It would really help with commerce for people who are just not interested in chomping shrooms or are paralyzed with the idea they are going to screw up making tea themselves.
Can't remember exactly who on here, but have read reports from plenty of reputable members that have frozen tea and consumed 6 months after freezing and it was plenty potent. I'm planning on freezing some the next batch I make.
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Re: Shroom TINCTURE (The REAL purple drank) [Re: Dave Bowman]
#28271686 - 04/10/23 07:16 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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Psilocybin was found to degrade faster in freezing temps then room temp and also found to degrade faster at high temps. It also degrades faster if exposed to light. The biggest factor though is oxygen, air tight containers with little air space would be best. Some of this is discussed in the following- Gotvaldová, K.; Hájková, K,; Borovička, J.; Jurok, R.; Cihlárová, P.; Kuchař, M.; 2021. Stability of psilocybin and its four analogs in the biomass of the psychotropic mushroom Psilocybe cubensis. Drug Test Anal. 2021;13:439-446. https//doi.org/10.1002/dta.2950
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Re: Shroom TINCTURE (The REAL purple drank) [Re: kuman30]
#28369820 - 06/22/23 09:02 AM (7 months, 3 days ago) |
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OP here im not sure but i do know that this exact psilocybin tincture did lose potency over time. what a throwback hahaha!
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