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Is fruiting before full colonization really a problem?
    #26945586 - 09/20/20 06:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I see lots of previous posts about how that means probable contamination.  That still valid or "outdated information"?

After two succesfull tubs,
I had one jar inoculated with agar left,
had some pinning in the jar,
decided to drop it into dubtub see what happens,
since in my previous tubs I suspect I didn't have enough substrate, this time I dialed up the ratio to experiment, it is about 1:6 maybe even more...

It started colonizing quickly then it looked like stalling a bit, I mean top surface is not fully white ,I thought, lots of substrate, probably growing inside or something. To my surprise I noticed PINS around sixth day



I am doing set and forget method, black tape is for holding dubtub together...
Also, this time I had no condensation showing up on tub walls like last time (hm, maybe I drilled a bit bigger holes this time)


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Re: Is fruiting before full colonization really a problem? [Re: chowyunfat] * 1
    #26945619 - 09/20/20 07:21 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yes it's really a problem
Pins before full colonization is a telltale sign of contamination


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Re: Is fruiting before full colonization really a problem? [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #26945892 - 09/20/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I think of it like this: you've made a nice banquet reception for the myc to enjoy, having a great time and keeping all the baddies out.

If you open the party up early, the baddies take over the place and the whole night is ruined...

Leave the myc to claim everything and there won't be anything the baddies can take over.


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Re: Is fruiting before full colonization really a problem? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26945898 - 09/20/20 10:15 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes it's really a problem
Pins before full colonization is a telltale sign of contamination



damn, but it looks healthy, nothing suspicious so far...
if it is some contam, it must show up soon? discoloration, mold, etc?


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Re: Is fruiting before full colonization really a problem? [Re: chowyunfat]
    #26946180 - 09/20/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Just keep fruiting and keep surface conditions properly maintained. If coir is lighter brown it needs misting, visible mycelium should have TINY water droplets on it, let evaporate majority of droplets off and lightly mist to replace the droplets. Do not overly mist, no puddles of water anywhere. If puddles form use corner of a paper towel to soak up the excess


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Re: Is fruiting before full colonization really a problem? [Re: Pearl]
    #26946431 - 09/20/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I think of it like this: you've made a nice banquet reception for the myc to enjoy, having a great time and keeping all the baddies out.

If you open the party up early, the baddies take over the place and the whole night is ruined...

Leave the myc to claim everything and there won't be anything the baddies can take over.



This made so much sense to me rofl:grin:

Also might want to look into a casing layer next time, sometimes helps pins from forming, you also want to keep it away from light when you drop into your tubs until its fully colonized.


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Re: Is fruiting before full colonization really a problem? [Re: NecroMyce]
    #26946446 - 09/20/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Pearl said:
I think of it like this: you've made a nice banquet reception for the myc to enjoy, having a great time and keeping all the baddies out.

If you open the party up early, the baddies take over the place and the whole night is ruined...

Leave the myc to claim everything and there won't be anything the baddies can take over.



This made so much sense to me rofl:grin:

Also might want to look into a casing layer next time, sometimes helps pins from forming, you also want to keep it away from light when you drop into your tubs until its fully colonized.



hm, but previous two tubs: no casing layers, no keeping them in the dark, nothing special, just left them sitting at the same place, they got colonized fully then started pinning, everything went okay...Only thing I changed now is substrate to spawn ratio...and it's different cubenis strain


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Re: Is fruiting before full colonization really a problem? [Re: chowyunfat]
    #26946643 - 09/20/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Sometimes the surface just doesn’t get super colonized, especially if you used a thicker top layer.

That tub looks pretty colonized to me but it’s under the surface kinda like it’s a casing. If you zoom in you can see knots all over and myc right underneath the surface. The little puffballs aren’t great though.


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Re: Is fruiting before full colonization really a problem? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26946759 - 09/20/20 07:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah you should be fine, but if you keep it in the dark it’ll prevent pinning and then once fully colonized you can add the casing layer, keep in dark til 30-40% colonized, then introduce light. Look at my journal and look at how FrankHorrigan gets shit done. Good info!


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Re: Is fruiting before full colonization really a problem? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26946785 - 09/20/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes it's really a problem
Pins before full colonization is a telltale sign of contamination




Would you agree that that can be inaccurate when a thick top layer is used? I have some cultures that'll pin without colonizing a thick top layer every time.

OP i do think your tub is fucked though


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Re: Is fruiting before full colonization really a problem? [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26946825 - 09/20/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It's just a symptom not always the case. Especially a thick top layer will appear uncolonized.


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Re: Is fruiting before full colonization really a problem? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26948885 - 09/22/20 07:25 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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A.k.a said:
Sometimes the surface just doesn’t get super colonized, especially if you used a thicker top layer.

That tub looks pretty colonized to me but it’s under the surface kinda like it’s a casing. If you zoom in you can see knots all over and myc right underneath the surface. The little puffballs aren’t great though.



Guess you were right Sir, look! :smile:



Love how this Mars strain looks, they are beautiful :smile:
they do have stronger smell than GT. Is it strain or something else?
Is it even possible that bacteria can hijack healthy looking fruits??


they go sooo blue


this is what's left for next flush, now it looks regular, colonized


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Re: Is fruiting before full colonization really a problem? [Re: chowyunfat]
    #26950120 - 09/22/20 09:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Awesome! I'm glad they came in! Looks awesome! might want to increase humidity, walls are dry, but you were also taking pictures and harvesting. But usually higher humidity will call for more pins!


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Re: Is fruiting before full colonization really a problem? [Re: NecroMyce]
    #26950357 - 09/23/20 01:01 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Congrats on the fruit


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Re: Is fruiting before full colonization really a problem? [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26950940 - 09/23/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Awesome! I'm glad they came in! Looks awesome! might want to increase humidity, walls are dry, but you were also taking pictures and harvesting. But usually higher humidity will call for more pins!



hmm, valid point sir... my previous tubs, had some noticeable condensation , this one nope...

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Congrats on the fruit



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Re: Is fruiting before full colonization really a problem? [Re: chowyunfat]
    #26951727 - 09/23/20 07:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If she fruits, well then shooot! keep at it brotha! Really nice looking stuff! check out my links you can see pics where most my shit is pretty misty in there. i also reccomend drilling a small hole in the bottom of your tub, putting tape over it so you can drain your tubs if needed.


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Re: Is fruiting before full colonization really a problem? [Re: NecroMyce]
    #26952574 - 09/24/20 11:35 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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If she fruits, well then shooot! keep at it brotha! Really nice looking stuff! check out my links you can see pics where most my shit is pretty misty in there. i also reccomend drilling a small hole in the bottom of your tub, putting tape over it so you can drain your tubs if needed.



your old posts? yeah, that was like in my previous boxes, don't know why nothing now...it's different room temperature a bit than during previous grows also hmh...

aaaa, nice tip for the drain , thanks mate!!


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Re: Is fruiting before full colonization really a problem? [Re: chowyunfat]
    #26957555 - 09/27/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

No worries, i would play around with the poly fil, add some, remove some, keep a eye on it, change the angle of the fan, sometimes its a bitch, but once you are dialed in your golden. Check out this link: Frank is the man.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777#17332777

Also you can put a black liner under you spawn/sub once you drop your tubs, and that will allow you to pick the entire mycelium block up and tilt it or whatever you gotta do to get any excess water if there is any puddling out.


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