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Losing potency in the drying process.
    #26957335 - 09/27/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Recently tried some GT out of my first grow fresh. I had it the same day it was harvested. 10g wet so equivalent to about 1g. I was quite surprised at the potency and felt at was at least double what a normal 1g trip usually is. I dried out the rest of the batch same day in a dehydrator for 5-10 hours depending on the size.

The following weekend I had a 0.75g dose and it was definitely not that strong. Is there somewhere in the drying process that you lose a lot of potency? Is there any way to retain it more? Gonna be harvesting five tubs next week and would hope that I can lock in a better potency with these ones.


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Re: Losing potency in the drying process. [Re: VolcanoCybe]
    #26957353 - 09/27/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Dry at 160f for 24 hours.


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Re: Losing potency in the drying process. [Re: VolcanoCybe]
    #26957359 - 09/27/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Drying fruits does not effect potency, even in a dehydrator. Sounds like you got varying potency in the fruits (genetics) or you were just having an off day :shrug:


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Re: Losing potency in the drying process. [Re: Tormato] * 1
    #26957431 - 09/27/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

To say that 10g wet is equal to 1g is putting too much validity in our “mush is about 90% water” guesstimate we use.  It’s just that.. a guess.  Fruits can have +/- that amount.  Sounds like your fruits may have had less water than that and .75gm isn’t very much.. that’s like 2 micro doses.  Probability didn’t go past your threshold.  I’d probably have to take 1.5gm of normal cubes to even notice any kind of buzz.

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Re: Losing potency in the drying process. [Re: fahtster]
    #26957435 - 09/27/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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To say that 10g wet is equal to 1g is putting too much validity in our “mush is about 90% water” guesstimate we use.  It’s just that.. a guess.  Fruits can have +/- that amount.  Sounds like your fruits may have had less water than that and .75gm isn’t very much.. that’s like 2 micro doses.  Probability didn’t go past your threshold.  I’d probably have to take 1.5gm of normal cubes to even notice any kind of buzz.

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Re: Losing potency in the drying process. [Re: Tormato]
    #26957494 - 09/27/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

potency is lost in drying

keep doing the same experiement with every grow you will see it over and over.

everyone says its not so, but experience says it is


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Re: Losing potency in the drying process. [Re: BrotherDekatessera] * 2
    #26957510 - 09/27/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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potency is lost in drying

keep doing the same experiement with every grow you will see it over and over.

everyone says its not so, but experience says it is



Negligible if any bro.

Unless you're growing the same monoculture repeatedly through this experiment your findings would be null. :thumbdown:

Potency can vary from strain to strain of any given cube variety. Genetics :cheers:


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Re: Losing potency in the drying process. [Re: Tormato]
    #26957581 - 09/27/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I think I have to disagree. I always calculate the % of water lost during drying, which I give ample time for (24 hours), and it is consistently 92-93%. I usually take my dose fresh, and between 30 to 50 grams. Dried shrooms have a much less noticeable affect at the same dosage. There is credibility to the suspicion that wet shrooms will confer a stronger trip than dried at the same approximate dosage, at least to my experience.


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Re: Losing potency in the drying process. [Re: Lemgrub]
    #26957609 - 09/27/20 03:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Imo/e dried fruits are just as strong as fresh but fresh hit different. A little sharper with the onset. Probably from the psilocin.

But either way.. if 4g dried doesnt give you a 40g fresh trip? Then eat more dry ones what's the big deal??:shrug:

Also from experience.. the moment you convince yourself that X dose of cubes will give Y experience is usually when you get your ass handed to yourself from what would be considered a 'low dose'. Shrooms have the tendency to surprise me juuuuust when I feel comfortable with them.


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Re: Losing potency in the drying process. [Re: BrotherDekatessera] * 1
    #26957718 - 09/27/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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potency is lost in drying

keep doing the same experiement with every grow you will see it over and over.

everyone says its not so, but experience says it is



So *everyone* is wrong, but YOUR experience is the one infallible truth, right?


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Re: Losing potency in the drying process. [Re: Inocuole]
    #26957766 - 09/27/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Appreciate all the feedback guys. Just wanted to make sure I didn’t screw up the drying process. How is it possible to isolate potency in genetics? Taking a print of every mushroom, consuming them and determining that way which mushroom is potent and which weren’t as potent?

Also when do your neuro-receptors become clean again? Do you have to wait 30 days before your system is reset and your able to take a dose without previous doses having an affect on potency?


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Re: Losing potency in the drying process. [Re: VolcanoCybe]
    #26957770 - 09/27/20 05:20 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

30day reset?

While you're at it dont swim until 45mim after eating:lol:

I shroom on the reg. Are you looking for life defining moments or fun times? Sometimes it sounds like people want epiphanies every time they dose. Ime that's a risky path to travel.


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Re: Losing potency in the drying process. [Re: mushboy]
    #26957804 - 09/27/20 05:48 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Potency, when figured as a total amount of actives contained, is most definitely lost during the drying process, despite method and length of time drying

Psilocin is not very stable and does not survive the process well. There are other compounds, whose actions are as of yet undetermined, that do not survive drying, period.

  When taken as a whole, fresh off the block, you will definitely experience a more "full" effect that's hard to quantify,  but is def real. Its unknown how all of the various compounds interact with one another, especially the psilo compounds with all of the ones that dont make it past fresh picked, so it's safe to assume a dose of fresh mush will offer something dry cannot, and just as true for the reverse.

The 10:1 dosing is, I agree, a ballpark guess, but close enough to get a feel for a particular flush.


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Re: Losing potency in the drying process. [Re: FlufferNutter]
    #26957817 - 09/27/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Potency, when figured as a total amount of actives contained, is most definitely lost during the drying process, despite method and length of time drying




Sure but, Ive been growing since my reg date and I've never dried any mushrooms and then found that I felt entitled to bitch about the potency.  They always kick my ass.  A half gram of what I've got right now has been fucking up all my friends. :shrug:


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Re: Losing potency in the drying process. [Re: FlufferNutter]
    #26957821 - 09/27/20 06:01 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Usually you can get away with tripping once or twice a week if you want to.


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Re: Losing potency in the drying process. [Re: Inocuole]
    #26957831 - 09/27/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Potency, when figured as a total amount of actives contained, is most definitely lost during the drying process, despite method and length of time drying




Sure but, Ive been growing since my reg date and I've never dried any mushrooms and then found that I felt entitled to bitch about the potency.  They always kick my ass.  A half gram of what I've got right now has been fucking up all my friends. :shrug:




Most definitely.  I'm not talking about mush getting weak, I'm just pointing out that there's a lot more on the plate with a meal of fresh than dry. That's why there's that extra whatever with the fresh.

Experiences are subjective, of course, and the science is out on exactly what works with what,but that's not to say dried fruits are weak. Not in the least bit.

Sorry if I was being confusing. I know I can be sometimes.


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Re: Losing potency in the drying process. [Re: mushboy]
    #26957845 - 09/27/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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30day reset?

While you're at it dont swim until 45mim after eating:lol:

I shroom on the reg. Are you looking for life defining moments or fun times? Sometimes it sounds like people want epiphanies every time they dose. Ime that's a risky path to travel.




I am on the regular for sure and do them for fun times and crazy eye opening shit. I am just talking in terms of isolating potent genetics. I would presume your neuro-receptors need to be clean for it to be a controlled experiment.

I personally feel fresh mushrooms have a higher potency. And interestingly enough, no gut rot with fresh. I've also heard that if you don't dry the mushrooms out in the first day of harvesting they lose potency due to moisture degradation of the psilocin.


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Re: Losing potency in the drying process. [Re: VolcanoCybe]
    #26957981 - 09/27/20 08:18 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

if your doing high doses, i found dry to be stronger than fresh.  If doing low doses, fresh is always stronger than dry. i run monocultures.  Your body can only handle so much chitin.


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Re: Losing potency in the drying process. [Re: Lemgrub]
    #26957986 - 09/27/20 08:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I always calculate the % of water lost during drying, which I give ample time for (24 hours), and it is consistently 92-93%.




I agree.  I usually find that there is more than just 90% water.


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Re: Losing potency in the drying process. [Re: Lemgrub]
    #26958025 - 09/27/20 09:29 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I think I have to disagree. I always calculate the % of water lost during drying, which I give ample time for (24 hours), and it is consistently 92-93%. I usually take my dose fresh, and between 30 to 50 grams. Dried shrooms have a much less noticeable affect at the same dosage. There is credibility to the suspicion that wet shrooms will confer a stronger trip than dried at the same approximate dosage, at least to my experience.



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I think I have to disagree. I always calculate the % of water lost during drying, which I give ample time for (24 hours), and it is consistently 92-93%. I usually take my dose fresh, and between 30 to 50 grams. Dried shrooms have a much less noticeable affect at the same dosage. There is credibility to the suspicion that wet shrooms will confer a stronger trip than dried at the same approximate dosage, at least to my experience.





Genetics are irrelevant.

if mushrooms are consistently more potent wet than dry, the genetics isnt going to change that.

potency might be different between genetics but that has no relevance to the same genetics being more potent wet, and then weaker dried... the genetics dont change in the drying process homie


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