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65 Minute Grain Tek 3
#26956447 - 09/26/20 05:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is nothing new here really but this grain prep has reduced the amount of extra things that come with prepping grain. I have been enjoying it because I don't need to boil, soak, dry, etc.
This originally started out as a tek I got from Crackatoa but I have just tweaked it to my needs over time.
Grain of choice is white millet.
 Since buying millet in bulk means big ass bags I like fill up some gallon ziplock bags and put them in my kitchen so I dont need to leave the kitchen to do the grain prep. I just reuse the bags when they run out no reason to throw them away, plus makes pouring into the measuring cup easier. If there are any non millet pieces in the jar I don't bother taking them out.  I measure out between 450-500ml of millet. I find 500ml and up expands too much and does not leave very much headroom in jar making shaking more difficult than it really needs to be  Dry grains into the jar (millet expands in the PC so it will fill out)  I add a little under 150ml of water cold from the tap.  After I add the water to the grains I like to kind of likely stir the grains and the water in the jar so the water doesn't all pool at the bottom. I just shake it lightly in the jar so it gets mixed. After mixed:  Like other teks 3qts of water into the PC with a splash of vinegar if your tap water is hard. Turn on the stove and let it vent for 10 minutes PC for 65 minutes at 15psi. Fresh out the PC with a light shake. No clumps/cakes.  Other teks I have tried the millet would cake up too much that I couldn't break it but when I do it this way I just shake it a bit to break it up out of the PC but once the jar fully cools the remaining chunks are broken up with another shake or when you shake after inoculation. Here is some colonized grain following these steps  Looks like it is working well with wild bird seed as well. Since this was just adding water any potential floaters or corn/sunflower seeds and whatever else did not get removed.  Here is some of shoeboxes using this grain tek. I don't really take many pictures so I will update this later with more. 
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This is badass. what a time saver
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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: JHOVA]
#26956476 - 09/26/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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This was the tek I started with, and wont give up... No Soak No Simmer. I used less millet when I did millet, but about the same amount of water. This tek also works well with whole oats. 2/3c oats, 150-175mL water. Shake after PC drops pressure. A pinch of gypsum helps with the shake.
Good post! It really does take the pain out of grain prep. A lot of folks are locked in to a certain way, and NSNS goes completely against common practice, but it works like a champ.
Successful Lazy Tek is the best kind of tek.
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Successful Lazy Tek is the best kind of tek.
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Right on Big Cain π€This is the same general tek I've started using recently as well. Only difference is my ratio is a little different, and I weigh the millet and water to get the exact same percentage of moisture with every batch. Measuring with measuring cups is usually close enough if your careful but I like to know down to the gram what's in my bags. Too much moisture was an enemy I had to conquer in bags.
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looks like the third jar in your cooked millet pic doesn't have the lid on all the way.
I wonder if it takes you longer to measure all that out than it takes me to prep twenty masters worth of birdseed.
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Does this work for bags?
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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: JHOVA] 2
#26956800 - 09/26/20 10:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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JHOVA said: Does this work for bags?
saw pro gourmet growers use this with bags, so yes it does.
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verum subsequentis said: looks like the third jar in your cooked millet pic doesn't have the lid on all the way.
I wonder if it takes you longer to measure all that out than it takes me to prep twenty masters worth of birdseed.
I bought some oven gloves that allow me a more tactile approach to securing the tops on hot jars. Your observation is noted will for sure keep my eyes on the jar 
I have had some promising results with WBS done in the same tek. It seems to take to the LC well. Cant say if it aligns with your process since WBS is the newest variable to the recipe. I try not to have the lid on so secure that it causes me fatigue to take it off. TBH I am not familiar with your grain prep to challenge it. This is just what works for me currently
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Funky Monkey said: Right on Big Cain π€This is the same general tek I've started using recently as well. Only difference is my ratio is a little different, and I weigh the millet and water to get the exact same percentage of moisture with every batch. Measuring with measuring cups is usually close enough if your careful but I like to know down to the gram what's in my bags. Too much moisture was an enemy I had to conquer in bags.
I am not using bags but I have seen some documentation that using the the bag and adding the water is a good solution (there is a great gourmet mushroom grower) on Youtube that has a similar no prep approach to growing.
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Southwest mushrooms?
He's the guy I saw that made me switch.
Prepping some tomorrow actually π
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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: TheBoJim]
#26956915 - 09/27/20 12:46 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah... Wtf?
He must have took it down... Shitty.
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i just tried this with oats. it didn't work well. To much gunk in the bottom of the jar. To many busted oats. I used a cup (180g) of oats to 175ml water. If not for the gunk it would have worked.
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JHOVA said: Does this work for bags?
I use the same general Tek with a 30% moisture content for bags. Weighing the water and millet to the gram.
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Randall Flagg said: i just tried this with oats. it didn't work well. To much gunk in the bottom of the jar. To many busted oats. I used a cup (180g) of oats to 175ml water. If not for the gunk it would have worked.
Too much moisture even for jars. Try weighing the water and going down to 40% moisture content and see how it goes. Too much moisture + applied heat over a period of time = burst grain city.
You'd be surprised how much difference a few percentage points of moisture can make. Like for my bags at 29-31 percent are Gucci, at 33% and definitely any higher and we got issues.
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I might give this a try with some WBS just to see how it does.
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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: Pastywhyte] 1
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Hell yeah man, get all the way player with it and don't even hose down that slutty WBS. Speaking of hoes, the ones in my area can tell you, I love dirty, and that whore WBS is running around with the whole neighborhood's seed in her. Cumdumpsters need love too. 
Back when I was using WBS my Tek called for an insane amount of rinsing "till it runs clear" so usually five rinses... She's so filthy. π I'd love! LOVE! LOVE! to see that dirty slut jump straight in the bag with you and get straight to making you mush babies without giving you an ounce of grief! 

Edit: Note: That dirty pussy will likely be super clumpy, but pay her disgusting filth no mind my friend. THAT is why we fuck with "the bag". No raw doggin' it. Massage her nasty insides through that wrapper and think about all the beautiful babies you will make when you purposely break the plastic...π€« 
DON'T recommend JARS with this type of No Rinse / No Prep Tek with WBS for this reason. Actually if it weren't for the fact I am using bags I might even rinse this brand of millet I get. Not the cleanest I've seen. However using the bags makes up for a multitude of dirty sins. Massage the clumpy bitch. π
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Got two jars in the PC right now, will post results when I can.
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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: coversall]
#27009824 - 10/29/20 08:25 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not a great success. In hind sight my millet looks finer than yours, plus this is the first time using a large kilner jar and it turns out to get it to fit in my PC I need to sit the bottom below the water level. So I've ended up with the bottom section over cooked.
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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: coversall] 1
#27010058 - 10/29/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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People are saying this doesnt work but did you actually follow the measurements and rolling the jar before cooking?
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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: JHOVA]
#27010065 - 10/29/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah to the T. 450-500ml millet, 150ml water (I'll try just shy of 150ml next time), stirred the jar (I'll give it a better mix on the second run).
I had a good go at breaking up the clump at the bottom, but it was a no go. I will give it another shot once I've finished with the rye tek I'm trying. I could have made a mistake, I'm not damning the tek just yet.
The line of the overcooked millet is very close, if not exactly where the water line was in my PC. If it happens on the second attempt I'll use a smaller jar that I can keep out the water and see if that makes a difference.
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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: coversall] 1
#27027449 - 11/07/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I use a funnel that goes to the bottom of the jar. I got it from Home Depot, you can get it from an auto shop as well. Think they are like a dollar. It looks almost exactly like this:

I put the funnel in, touches the bottom of the jar, add the water and kind of stir as I pull it up so it hydrates all the levels. Its not something that I would think would make much of a difference. If another user followed it to a T thats the only thing I could guess that might be different.
Human food grade millet seems to clump more so in my experience as well...
Let me know if you guys think I should add this element because I literally just did my grains again this evening using the same method.
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This is for smaller grains. I even tried it with wheat and the 3 jars look totally dormant.
Works with millet and WBS though!
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CocaineBuffet The first guide I used (back in the late 70s) by Terrence McKinna and his brother used this approach. Basically they had you weigh out a certain amount of dry rye berries to a quart jar, then add a measured amount of water then PC and shake!
Just curious ... do you think millet out performs rye or wheat (or oats) in terms of speed after spawning? Some folks say that it does due to having more inoculation points per weight / volume.
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PsiloPsychIn said: CocaineBuffet The first guide I used (back in the late 70s) by Terrence McKinna and his brother used this approach. Basically they had you weigh out a certain amount of dry rye berries to a quart jar, then add a measured amount of water then PC and shake!
Just curious ... do you think millet out performs rye or wheat (or oats) in terms of speed after spawning? Some folks say that it does due to having more inoculation points per weight / volume.
I can't find oats anywhere close enough to where I am to give them a shot so not sure about them in particular.
To be honest I couldn't really say if it colonizes faster because I haven't done a head to head test. If it does colonize faster its not fast enough for me to notice it honestly.
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I am interested how fast it colonizes with that little water. I do this for rye with an 0:8 to 1 ratio of water to rye by weight. And also a little bit of gypsum against the clumping. Yeah you have to shake the jar after PC to mix up the wet clump from the bottom and the dry top part, but thats not any harder than shaking (and breaking up) a well colonized jar, same procedure just bang the jar good against the palm of oyur hand or a bike tire etc etc. Works perfectly for me, but again what I notice is the higher water content and even with my recipe I feel like I could even experiment with a little more water cause it seems it got a little slow but maybe thats the fall/winter and my insufficient heating
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Here is some of shoeboxes using this grain tek. I don't really take many pictures so I will update this later with more.
 
Thanks for the tek man.
What strain/variety is that in the pic? Looks nice.
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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: enzofilo] 1
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Here is some of shoeboxes using this grain tek. I don't really take many pictures so I will update this later with more.
 
Thanks for the tek man.
What strain/variety is that in the pic? Looks nice.
Some random variety that showed up on a slant in the mail with no label. Guessing it is Avery Albino until some of the other members grow it out and see what their fruits look like.
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i tried this with Penningtons Classic WBS 445 ml grain/ 145 ml of water and it came out perfect. Im never doing grain prep again.
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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: JHOVA] 1
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I've been looking for a good no soak/boil tek for oats but haven't had too much luck, I see another user here tried it and had some issues so I might try some experiments with the rest of this bag.
I've used WBS in the past but I didn't really care for the smaller grains, but for a prep as easy as this I might grab a bag of millet and try it out
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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: Ballzagna]
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Look above regarding the funnel it might make an impact. I did not think it was fundamental but now I am thinking it is. If another user uses that colander with the same results I will update the OP
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Has anyone tried this with rye? I'm curious
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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: enzofilo]
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I haven't tried it with rye but I have tried it with wheat and they are about the same size, I would be skeptical if it would work with rye. You could always just do some WBS with a couple jars of rye..
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Guys I really dont get this skepticism. Using (weight) an 0,8:1 water rye ratio works well. Of course you need to shake before inoculating to evenly distribute the more wet bottom grains, but in the growth process the moisture evens out.
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CocaineBuffet said: I haven't tried it with rye but I have tried it with wheat and they are about the same size, I would be skeptical if it would work with rye. You could always just do some WBS with a couple jars of rye..
What's your water:grain ratio for wheat?
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I've got some rye I'll try this out with soon. Planning to inoculate with some LC so 0.8:1 coming out a little dry will probably suit me perfectly.
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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: adhoc]
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What's your water:grain ratio for wheat?
I don't have a solid ratio for wheat. The wheat I had that I used this same tek on was not successful.
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I just happened upon this thread and was excited to know others are reporting results of trying this!
I tried this out of curiosity last year, side by side with jars of oats prepped the standard way. My end results were identical. Using the same MS syringe both sets of jars took the same length of time to colonize (as one would expect). I had less contam with the lazy-grain jars, but with so few overall jars to compare data its purely observational at this time. My water wasn't dialed in, so a few jars of grain were a bit wetter than I'd like, but shaking and mixing a few times during colonization seemed to disperse it and overall had no impact it seemed.
I'll be doing this again with my next batch of jars in a few weeks. Good tek!
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You've already asked this in the actual tek thread. There's no need to double post.
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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: johnukguy]
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yeah thats where I thought this was I did not mean to double post. I don't see that when I search posts from my account so I don't see an answer yet. Do you know the answer about red miller?
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Probably the same. I know wheat prep is the same between red/white/winter varieties.
But you'll have to experiment anyway because your supplier is different. All grain batches/suppliers will have different initial ("dry") hydration levels. Start with the ratio provided and titrate from there.
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