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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: coversall] * 1
    #27010058 - 10/29/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

People are saying this doesnt work but did you actually follow the measurements and rolling the jar before cooking?


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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: JHOVA]
    #27010065 - 10/29/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah to the T. 450-500ml millet, 150ml water (I'll try just shy of 150ml next time), stirred the jar (I'll give it a better mix on the second run).

I had a good go at breaking up the clump at the bottom, but it was a no go. I will give it another shot once I've finished with the rye tek I'm trying. I could have made a mistake, I'm not damning the tek just yet.

The line of the overcooked millet is very close, if not exactly where the water line was in my PC. If it happens on the second attempt I'll use a smaller jar that I can keep out the water and see if that makes a difference.


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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: coversall] * 1
    #27027449 - 11/07/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I use a funnel that goes to the bottom of the jar. I got it from Home Depot, you can get it from an auto shop as well. Think they are like a dollar. It looks almost exactly like this:



I put the funnel in, touches the bottom of the jar, add the water and kind of stir as I pull it up so it hydrates all the levels. Its not something that I would think would make much of a difference. If another user followed it to a T thats the only thing I could guess that might be different.

Human food grade millet seems to clump more so in my experience as well...

Let me know if you guys think I should add this element because I literally just did my grains again this evening using the same method.


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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: Randall Flagg]
    #27027455 - 11/07/20 07:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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i just tried this with oats. it didn't work well. To much gunk in the bottom of the jar. To many busted oats. I used a cup (180g) of oats to 175ml water. If not for the gunk it would have worked.




This is for smaller grains. I even tried it with wheat and the 3 jars look totally dormant.

Works with millet and WBS though!


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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #27029757 - 11/09/20 08:17 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

CocaineBuffet
The first guide I used (back in the late 70s) by Terrence McKinna and his brother used this approach.
Basically they had you weigh out a certain amount of dry rye berries to a quart jar, then add a measured amount of water then PC and shake!

Just curious ... do you think millet out performs rye or wheat (or oats) in terms of speed after spawning? Some folks say that it does due to having more inoculation points per weight / volume.


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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
    #27036101 - 11/12/20 11:13 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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The first guide I used (back in the late 70s) by Terrence McKinna and his brother used this approach.
Basically they had you weigh out a certain amount of dry rye berries to a quart jar, then add a measured amount of water then PC and shake!

Just curious ... do you think millet out performs rye or wheat (or oats) in terms of speed after spawning? Some folks say that it does due to having more inoculation points per weight / volume.




I can't find oats anywhere close enough to where I am to give them a shot so not sure about them in particular.

To be honest I couldn't really say if it colonizes faster because I haven't done a head to head test. If it does colonize faster its not fast enough for me to notice it honestly.

Damn you have been growing since the 70s??? :whoah:


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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #27036124 - 11/12/20 11:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I am interested how fast it colonizes with that little water. I do this for rye with an 0:8 to 1 ratio of water to rye by weight. And also a little bit of gypsum against the clumping. Yeah you have to shake the jar after PC to mix up the wet clump from the bottom and the dry top part, but thats not any harder than shaking (and breaking up) a well colonized jar, same procedure just bang the jar good against the palm of oyur hand or a bike tire etc etc. Works perfectly for me, but again what I notice is the higher water content and even with my recipe I feel like I could even experiment with a little more water cause it seems it got a little slow but maybe thats the fall/winter and my insufficient heating :laugh:


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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #27053612 - 11/23/20 09:04 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Here is some of shoeboxes using this grain tek. I don't really take many pictures so I will update this later with more.






Thanks for the tek man.

What strain/variety is that in the pic? Looks nice.


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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: enzofilo] * 1
    #27054509 - 11/23/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Here is some of shoeboxes using this grain tek. I don't really take many pictures so I will update this later with more.






Thanks for the tek man.

What strain/variety is that in the pic? Looks nice.




Some random variety that showed up on a slant in the mail with no label. Guessing it is Avery Albino until some of the other members grow it out and see what their fruits look like.

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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: CocaineBuffet] * 1
    #27057080 - 11/25/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

i tried this with Penningtons Classic WBS 445 ml grain/ 145 ml of water and it came out perfect. Im never doing grain prep again.


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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: JHOVA] * 1
    #27060659 - 11/27/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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i tried this with Penningtons Classic WBS 445 ml grain/ 145 ml of water and it came out perfect. Im never doing grain prep again.




Great to hear!!


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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #27060777 - 11/27/20 08:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I've been looking for a good no soak/boil tek for oats but haven't had too much luck, I see another user here tried it and had some issues so I might try some experiments with the rest of this bag.

I've used WBS in the past but I didn't really care for the smaller grains, but for a prep as easy as this I might grab a bag of millet and try it out


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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: Ballzagna]
    #27060871 - 11/27/20 09:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Look above regarding the funnel it might make an impact. I did not think it was fundamental but now I am thinking it is. If another user uses that colander with the same results I will update the OP


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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #27069587 - 12/03/20 08:51 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Has anyone tried this with rye? I'm curious


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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: enzofilo]
    #27069817 - 12/03/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I haven't tried it with rye but I have tried it with wheat and they are about the same size, I would be skeptical if it would work with rye. You could always just do some WBS with a couple jars of rye..


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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #27071330 - 12/04/20 07:20 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Guys I really dont get this skepticism. Using (weight) an 0,8:1 water rye ratio works well. Of course you need to shake before inoculating to evenly distribute the more wet bottom grains, but in the growth process the moisture evens out.


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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #27071380 - 12/04/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I haven't tried it with rye but I have tried it with wheat and they are about the same size, I would be skeptical if it would work with rye. You could always just do some WBS with a couple jars of rye..




What's your water:grain ratio for wheat?


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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: polaritymind]
    #27071395 - 12/04/20 08:22 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I've got some rye I'll try this out with soon. Planning to inoculate with some LC so 0.8:1 coming out a little dry will probably suit me perfectly.


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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: adhoc]
    #27083292 - 12/11/20 12:23 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I haven't tried it with rye but I have tried it with wheat and they are about the same size, I would be skeptical if it would work with rye. You could always just do some WBS with a couple jars of rye..




What's your water:grain ratio for wheat?




I don't have a solid ratio for wheat. The wheat I had that I used this same tek on was not successful.


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Re: 65 Minute Grain Tek [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #27528426 - 11/03/21 07:01 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I just happened upon this thread and was excited to know others are reporting results of trying this!

I tried this out of curiosity last year, side by side with jars of oats prepped the standard way. My end results were identical. Using the same MS syringe both sets of jars took the same length of time to colonize (as one would expect). I had less contam with the lazy-grain jars, but with so few overall jars to compare data its purely observational at this time. My water wasn't dialed in, so a few jars of grain were a bit wetter than I'd like, but shaking and mixing a few times during colonization seemed to disperse it and overall had no impact it seemed.

I'll be doing this again with my next batch of jars in a few weeks. Good tek!


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