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Moses_Davidson
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Registered: 05/21/20
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So maybe it depends on each specific situation and each specific dilemma.
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Ferdinando


Registered: 11/15/09
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I like the word mental system
lot of potential there
so the more awake you are
and kind and understanding
and aware
and turned on in the way you look at things and think of things like understanding everything and AM just AM because I understand what I see for what it is I understand that if I had the time of green metaphorically that it would be fine
the better one gets including for one's surroundings
like this isnes broad wide brain cranked up to serious overview
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Ferdinando


Registered: 11/15/09
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you have to have a brain where you makme progress on all fields
like when we care about everything
that can happen
at an early age
sometimes that happens during meditation
all fields in one life not all fields although it may
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Ferdinando


Registered: 11/15/09
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ah not sure sorry if I said something not true I'm not sure all fields can be benefitted from meditation
but it is really powerful 50% that after many hours of meditation that can happen like at age 62
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redgreenvines
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redgreenvines said: so what I would say is that you are aware of what you are aware of, because you are interested in following it, however, Fragments of experience penetrate your mind and affect your total context even if you are not paying direct attention, fleshing out the picture and feelings as it were.
Here you seem to be saying that there is an exterior kind of thing to the state of being aware of only certain things.
there is a totality of experience - what enters the mind through sensation and how we react to what enters the mind (thoughs and actions). what is exterior to mind (what has not entered as sensation) is infinite, both beyond the moment, beyond range of sensation, and within range of sensors, but ignored as immaterial to your task.
what you are aware of - i.e. what makes it to your central focus or concern may be very few nanometers in an electron microscope, or parsecs wide as you examine a Quasar in the heavens, however you are also aware to a lesser extent of how tight your left shoe is, or an itch behind your ear.
to a lesser degree you may intermittently be aware of a disturbing smell.
this is not evidence of a subconscious, but of the fact that you might need a bath.
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Yellow Pants


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Moses_Davidson said: I think the intent of the internal state ("the heart") will ultimately weigh more in a moral dilemma.
For example, if I create a foundation, it could be out of my desire to avoid paying my fair share of taxes and avoid any form of social responsibility so that I can vainly puff up my ego with non-profit legacy-building. Such a foundation might ultimately end up doing some social good, but my actions in that case were narcissistic. This is overtly a good deed, but it could be done with a heart of evil.
Likewise, I may ask "the rich" to pay my fair share of taxes for me, to avoid any form of social responsibility so that I can vainly puff up my ego with victim-mentality covert narcissism, feeling like I have done my good deed on this earth by demanding that someone else should do the heavy lifting for me. Thus even an overtly good deed can be done for intentions that are bad.
Or, I could work very hard, get rich, and create a foundation to do beautiful things and support a truly fair system of taxation to encourage all to work hard and increase the systemic standard of living for all out of altruism.
Hm so you are saying that if for example there are two identical external situations that a 3rd party appraiser if he knew the internal states of the people making the decisions in terms of force, need etc. that his appraisal could be different for the two identical situations because the internal states of the people may be different, their intentions could be different. 
In other words you could say that a third party observer can never make total moral appraisals because he doesn't nessarily realize the subjective states of the people making the decisions.
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