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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #26962677 - 09/30/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid:


Maybe its standard for noobs who have never tried any other way?

Im just offering my advice about how to go about it so take it or leave it.


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: TedsDead]
    #26962688 - 09/30/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

It's empirically a standard method. I'm not saying anything about either method, just that cooking coir is certainly a Shroomery standard method. I seriously don't see how you can disagree with that lmao


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: junk_f00d]
    #26962702 - 09/30/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I dont know anyone on here that does it. 

Besides that...  you were trying to suggest that it be pasteurized and I consider that to be completely unnecessary.  Definitely not good advice for someone trying to do this 100 tub grow


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: TedsDead]
    #26962718 - 09/30/20 07:40 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Uh how about Bod? Lol. And no, I was never suggestig pastuerizing.


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: junk_f00d]
    #26962728 - 09/30/20 07:46 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Well, I dont know bod.  Maybe I misinterpreted what you were saying but that was what I thought u were saying.  You said that it would be less work:shrug:  oh, well...  off to make dinner.


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: TedsDead]
    #26962739 - 09/30/20 07:50 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Well, I dont know bod.  Maybe I misinterpreted what you were saying but that was what I thought u were saying.  You said that it would be less work:shrug:  oh, well...  off to make dinner.



No, I was talking about using a steam sterilizer / pastuerizer drum to cook or hydrate coir. I still really wanna do it when I get it built. Idea is just add a brick of coir and 4 qts of water into a suitable bag then load them into a electronically controlled drum and pull it out later. Ideally they come out like big spawn bags basically, all hydrated and sealed with no mixing and easy to store. Not sure how it'll work in practice though


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: TedsDead] * 1
    #26962742 - 09/30/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

My 5 tier shelving is 72x36x14 FYI I use 56qt tubs, with a quick measuring tape or using a dimension of the tub found online you can see if that's adequate for your tubs as well, or if you can efficiently fit them in your space.

I've also seen people use boards and vertical cinder blocks to create shelves on the cheap.

Also cvb doing 20 + buckets do consider doing this instead, it's similar to how Ted preps (but differeeent). It will reduce your motions, instead of measuring 4qts of water 20 times you can measure once. Standard bucket teks are great for standard growing.

There's no way to prep faster/more efficiently as far as I know unless you do larger batches a similar way.

Junkfood I think you saying cooking coir as slang for cooking as in ... More than hydrating? It's not clear what you're saying by saying 'cooked' coir is faster?

What you're saying about putting them in a drum is way over the top for coir verm, check the hyperlink in this post to see what we mean.


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: TedsDead]
    #26962748 - 09/30/20 07:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Bod is or at least was a vocal proponent of cooked coir (cooked by the process of adding hot/boiling water) being beneficial, in contrast with or opposed to cold water or even warm water prep. Enough excellent growers have worked with "uncooked" coir that it shouldn't be a metter of contention, "uncooked" is fine. Warm water does speed up the expansion of coir as ted mentioned when outlining his prep using hot water to expand, then adding cold to preserve effort.

I'd add that the use of a flow meter when hydrating coir at scale is super helpful. Unless you like filling buckets adnauseam.
Flow meters are great for batch mixing in a bulk mixer, which ever one you may have, be it a cement mixer or if you have access, an actual batch mixer.


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26962788 - 09/30/20 08:15 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Bod is or at least was a vocal proponent of cooked coir (cooked by the process of adding hot/boiling water) being beneficial, in contrast with or opposed to cold water or even warm water prep. Enough excellent growers have worked with "uncooked" coir that it shouldn't be a metter of contention, "uncooked" is fine. Warm water does speed up the expansion of coir as ted mentioned when outlining his prep using hot water to expand, then adding cold to preserve effort.

I'd add that the use of a flow meter when hydrating coir at scale is super helpful. Unless you like filling buckets adnauseam



Just to clarify, I was not dissing uncooked coir (that was my go to for a long time when I was growing off the grid). I was just pointing out that cooking coir _is_ a standard method (not to imply uncooked isn't, or to imply anything else), and I just felt Ted was dissing cooking coir unnecassarily (and the words of TC's carry a little extra weight so I like to see a little extra rigor when they have strong opinions, especially when their aimed at popular methods).

Ultimately cooking or not cooking coir is one of those infamous 'little things' that really just doesn't matter in the grand scheme but that everyone likes to argue about. Like liners or oats. Though I would like to see more controlled comparisons done with sufficiently high enough volume to offset any potential randomness in the study. Doing 'one tub boiled and one tub unboiled' doesn't say anything to me. Flip a coin once while wearing purple pajamas and what can you conclude? Anyway, cooking has never really made complete sense to me because when coir is manufactured it's comrpessed at very high temptatures, so should be coming precooked. I'm not sure if the water added when 'recooking' changes anything here or not, maybe Bod has an opinion here.


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: junk_f00d]
    #26962803 - 09/30/20 08:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Im trying to save the guy some effort and time:shrug:  when you make alot of tubs every little thing makes a big difference.


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: junk_f00d]
    #26962811 - 09/30/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I think Ted's results speak for themself.


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26962829 - 09/30/20 08:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Im trying to save the guy some effort and time:shrug:  when you make alot of tubs every little thing makes a big difference.




:whathesaid: Fair, I guess I did take it a bit out of context. I've got about 20 tubs worth of a B+ culture waiting around for my coco coir order to finally fucking arrive lol, maybe I'll run a big test like I was talking about.

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I think Ted's results speak for themself.



Yeah, but you could say the same thing for Damion5050, FrankHorrigan, RR, Bod... Or even those weird wax paper guys.


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: junk_f00d]
    #26962854 - 09/30/20 08:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Or perhaps eats? He made a thread about this topic.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26216702

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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: junk_f00d]
    #26962861 - 09/30/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Also, like in filthys hypertxt link make sure and weigh those bricks.  Ive had 5kg bricks weigh anywhere from 12lbs to less than 8.  My scale weighs in lbs cause Im a merican:facepalm::lol:


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26962864 - 09/30/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Or perhaps eats? He made a thread about this topic.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26216702

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No more boiling 2020.






That was already linked and I had already seen it anyway.. Not sure what your point is (other than promoting dogmatism) as there wasn't even a successful comparison that survived the thread iirc, and that thread is why I mentioned comparing 'one tub boiled and one tub unboiled'. Once again, I'm not discreditng the method or the growers doing them; I've also had success with warm water and used to do it regularly.


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: junk_f00d]
    #26962878 - 09/30/20 09:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah, but you could say the same thing for Damion5050, FrankHorrigan, RR, Bod... Or even those weird wax paper guys.




Frank is my go-to.. (love you Frank!) and as tempting as it is to not pasteurize the coir, I'm more than a little hesitant. I didn't lose a tub on my first grow using Franks 12  and I don't want to lose one on my next.  Can't remember whose tip on the tub liners I used, but did that as well. 

Maybe I'll give the no boil method a go when the harvest numbers don't matter so much.


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: DirdyD]
    #26962946 - 09/30/20 09:48 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

fuck mee...

I pastuerized 16 tubs lastnight.. took all day to cool. about 60 more to go using pastuerization 

i would save 3 days worth of work just using warm water.  this takes about 4 hours to hit 140, then it has to cool.



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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: trippleblack]
    #26962949 - 09/30/20 09:49 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Of just coir?    Nice pe!


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: TedsDead]
    #26962995 - 09/30/20 10:08 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

just coir.  last time i bucket tek,spawned a little wet which is normal when i pastuerize, bucket tek trich right after case.


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: trippleblack]
    #26963055 - 09/30/20 10:40 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Was it the casing?


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