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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: trippleblack] 1
#26962407 - 09/30/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lol, ok... do it its coir... why paseurize?
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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: A.k.a]
#26962416 - 09/30/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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junk_f00d said: How are you going to be cooking your coir? Also, I second the concerns about CO2 in an apartment building.
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Cvb989 said: Can anyone suggest a Good air purifier to purchase to clean the air in my grow room and in my home?
Is it an apartment or a home? Do you own it?
If you own the home call and HVAC person if your home isn't 100 years old. It has ductwork for more than just heating and cooling.
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Nobler Hino said: I agree electricity isn't a big deal. Until you line your apartment walls with lights that will be on for 12 hours at a time. Heating/cooling on top of a light show and yeah, you've got serious bill, coming from a small apartment. It's definitely something to keep an eye on.
"I agree electricity isn't a big deal. But here's why it's a big deal..."

The power draw from those lights aren't crazy, they aren't real grow lights. Just regular bulbs and sometimes even less power still, LEDs. Even if they were crazy heavy lights there are a million hobbies that consume more electricity than mush cult.
Pay your bill, don't steal electricity, and carry on in peace.
As for the rental inspection bit, that is more of a concern. I would just have a very well rehearsed story about your growing of edibles (black poplar is a good look a like) and be convincing. It's all self contained and doesn't impact the apartment in any way so as long as it's not against the rules 9f the complex to have any type of cultivation hobby then it's doable. I've never had a lease that said anything about growing house plants or anything else. Fish tanks yes. Anyways, it's up to you, but if you think you can pull it off smoothly and won't be suspected of anything go for it. If you are at all sketched out about your ability to finesse your current situation then wait for a better place. Lots of people cult in apartments though. One time I saw a guy move fifty tubs into a uhaul truck then move them back in when the day of work the landlord needed to do was done.
Be smart, be safe, and grow GROW GROW! ��
I must of missed the part where he went into detail about what kind of lights he has and how many. I just saw an entire wall lit up and wonder if there were other walls the same way.
But you seem to know all the specs big man. I'll let you take it from here. I'll step in when he mentions power tools, like your dad should have done before you cut your finger off kid lol
These are the lights i got. They're T5 shop lights and i got 20 of them. https://www.amazon.com/Hykolity-Integrated-Upgraded-Linkable-Electric/dp/B07XJXPWFL/ref=sxts_sxwds-bia-wc-drs-ajax1_0?cv_ct_cx=10+pack+led+shop+lights+t5&dchild=1&keywords=10+pack+led+shop+lights+t5&pd_rd_i=B07XJXPWFL&pd_rd_r=7e5e68d0-78cb-4f27-b53b-b88d322fa98d&pd_rd_w=qegrl&pd_rd_wg=Gd7KP&pf_rd_p=037ca9fd-790e-4a16-836b-14da89aed20e&pf_rd_r=114066AC7A9B2QYJ029W&psc=1&qid=1601503678&sr=1-1-25b07e09-600a-4f0d-816e-b06387f8bcf1
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Why would the carpet mold? should I get rid of the plastic? I would like to avoid that. also yes I know how to make clean spawn. the bags are just being stored in the bins.
Moisture can get trapped under the plastic and get nasty. I have seen this in bootleg grow rooms. Even under nice tents sometimes when there is a spill... and there is always a spill. Carpet sucks.
Maybe try a roll of Tyvek to cover the floor.
In general, the heat and humidity in there with no ventilation and spore load is problematic.
Is there a wall that has a closet that aligns with another closet in a room with a window? Thats the best place to put a hole through a rental...easy to hide for inspections and easy to repair when you leave.
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junk_f00d said: How are you going to be cooking your coir? Also, I second the concerns about CO2 in an apartment building.
I plan to PC my coir using my 2 32qt presto pressure cookers and vented quart & 2 quart jars. I was considering pasteurizing, but never have I ever had success with pasteurizing. I might give it a few more tries on some tubs. I just bought a good nonhuman electric thermometer gun and wand that I want to try and use for another shot at pasteurizing. I suspect The CO2 in the apartment could be ok if i crack some windows and have the AC running. I am wondering if it would be worthwhile to purchase a CO2 meter. Why is too much CO2 bad again? https://www.amazon.com/KKmoon-Dioxide-Detector-Rechargeable-Portable/dp/B07ZVYGXX7/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=co2+meter&qid=1601504273&s=hi&sr=1-9
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A.k.a said: I’d look up I think it’s eats who’s got a method for using whole trash bags as liners. Cutting them gets old super quick plus his way you can just yank the corners and the sub flips right into the bag.
You definitely might want a van and a storage unit rented under a different name than the apartment on standby to clear out ASAP if something comes up.
I would love a link to that thread. You're right, This could be a good idea. A storage unit from a public storage can be arranged really quickly and cheaply especially if you're a first time renter. A 10x10 is only $21 or something for the first month. of course if something came up and I have to move it to storage, the integrity of my grow, temperature, CO2, and contamination wise all comes in to question and I might as well just throw everything away at that point and abandon ship so to speak. There shouldn't be any more inspections thought I know when our yearly alarm inspection is so I am not worried about it. The only thing to worry about is my nosey nosey parents who might decide to come sniffing around.
speaking of sniffing, all these posts about smell have me a little bit concerned however most people don't know what mushrooms Smell like. In addition a good air purifier should hopefully take care of the smell.
___ I plan to grow with a 1:1 ratio maybe a little bit more, my only concern with doing a higher sub ratio becomes contamination which my experience has led me to realize, if you use too much substrate your tub is more likely to end up contaminated. I'm hoping for 3-5 oz dry per tub. Fingers crossed everything goes according to plan.
Thanks for all the replies on this thread. I really love everyones support and this post has gotten way more traction than I thought it would. I really love this community so far.
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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: Mushlove989]
#26962430 - 09/30/20 04:51 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jst get charcoal filter n fan , you wont be able to smell anything. An air purafier wont do much for smell mostly for particulates.
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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: Mushlove989]
#26962501 - 09/30/20 05:32 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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ACs just recirculate air and will do nothing for fresh air. Too much CO2 is bad because mushrooms need fresh air, like people. They exhaust CO2 and won't grow well if it all if the CO2 levels are too high. This includes spawn bags/jars as well and colonizing subs, not just fruits. Honestly, not to be a dick, but you should know these things, and have better luck with just cooking coir, well before trying to scale up to 100 tubs. The more volume you do the easier it becomes to fail, your surface area for failure points increases and attention to detail will ineveitably decrease with 10x the volume.
That's a lot of sub to running through a PC. And a lot of grain, esp in conjunction with eachother and using quart jars for both. Also seconding concerns of dehydrating, when you dehydrate a lot it smells like a stinky feet farm.
Good luck. Why not just see how far you can get instead of setting arbitrary goal for tub count? You'll figure most this shit out organically as you scale up anyway..
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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: Marmie]
#26962506 - 09/30/20 05:35 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why sterilize your coir? If you're trying to sterilize enough hydrated coir for 100 tubs in 2 32 qt PC's you're gonna run into a bottleneck really quickly.
Just prep it like everyone else does. Measure out some coir, measure out water. Add water to coir (boil/heat it first if you like). Add verm and/or gypsum if you'd like then check field capacity. Bam... you're done.
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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: Gan]
#26962572 - 09/30/20 06:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ill say it again... Why would you pasteurize or sterilize coir? Just add warm water and call it a day.
I just burn some incense when my dryer is running. Works great. You could buy a carbon scrubber but why?
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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: TedsDead]
#26962584 - 09/30/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well if your gona be drying a 100 tubs worth in an apartment building ( which is moronic by itself ) Best to take all precautions you can to not dry any attention,
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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: Marmie]
#26962590 - 09/30/20 06:32 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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confession, i'm doing 80 tubs and i'm too scared not to pastuerize coir.. tried a test non pastuerized once and lost a few tubs..
my bulk pastuerization method only take about a hour to do 32 monos worth in a day.
i would go crazy doing that shit in quart jars.
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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: trippleblack] 1
#26962595 - 09/30/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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TedsDead said: Ill say it again... Why would you pasteurize or sterilize coir? Just add warm water and call it a day.
From the anecdotes here on Shroomery, many including side by side testing, the results seem to favor cooked coir. But I wouldn't be suprised if in a couple years just hydrating coir with warmish water is the new standard.. Have you tried cooking it and doing side by side comparisons?
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trippleblack said: my bulk pastuerization method only take about a hour to do 32 monos worth in a day.
What's the method?
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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: junk_f00d]
#26962606 - 09/30/20 06:43 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, its better than "cooked" coir because its faster IME. Otherwise no difference in results. Get a good culture if u want better results. Or waste time... what ever u prefer
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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: TedsDead]
#26962609 - 09/30/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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TedsDead said: Yes, its better than "cooked" coir because its faster IME. Otherwise no difference in results. Get a good culture if u want better results. Or waste time... what ever u prefer
Lol @ the dismissive attitude. Have you done side by side testing? Obviously everyone wants faster grows, but you have to compare yields too, to see if it was really better or just quicker. A better culture would give better results regardless.
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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: junk_f00d] 1
#26962616 - 09/30/20 06:49 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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TedsDead said: Yes, its better than "cooked" coir because its faster IME. Otherwise no difference in results. Get a good culture if u want better results. Or waste time... what ever u prefer
Lol @ the dismissive attitude. Have you done side by side testing? Obviously everyone wants faster grows, but you have to compare yields too, to see if it was really better or just quicker. A better culture would give better results regardless.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26216702
This is an extremely common method used by many many good growers.
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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: junk_f00d] 1
#26962619 - 09/30/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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TedsDead said: Ill say it again... Why would you pasteurize or sterilize coir? Just add warm water and call it a day.
From the anecdotes here on Shroomery, many including side by side testing, the results seem to favor cooked coir. But I wouldn't be suprised if in a couple years just hydrating coir with warmish water is the new standard.. Have you tried cooking it and doing side by side comparisons?
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trippleblack said: my bulk pastuerization method only take about a hour to do 32 monos worth in a day.
What's the method?
two of those super large coleman coolers.. can fit 5kg block of coir each. i have two of those coolers..
heating element at bottom, max's out at 180 degrees, and a airstone to circulate water. put a rack ontop of heating element, put a liner in cooler, toss block of coir vermiculaite and gypsum.. add/hydrate with hot water.. close/seal with trashbags.. once pastuerized i usually mix it all togethr next day when cooled down. i have pic in my gallery, only difference from pic is i use liner instead of individual bags as seen.
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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: filthyknees]
#26962624 - 09/30/20 06:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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TedsDead said: Yes, its better than "cooked" coir because its faster IME. Otherwise no difference in results. Get a good culture if u want better results. Or waste time... what ever u prefer
Lol @ the dismissive attitude. Have you done side by side testing? Obviously everyone wants faster grows, but you have to compare yields too, to see if it was really better or just quicker. A better culture would give better results regardless.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26216702
This is an extremely common method used by many many good growers.
This isn't a comparison to cooked coir, though. Personally, I notice better results when cooking thoroughly, but I'm totally open to trying warm water hydrating again. I was just asking Ted since he was being dismissive of what is generally seen as a standard practice.
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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: trippleblack]
#26962629 - 09/30/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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two of those super large coleman coolers.. can fit 5kg block of coir each. i have two of those coolers..
heating element at bottom, max's out at 180 degrees, and a airstone to circulate water. put a rack ontop of heating element, put a liner in cooler, toss block of coir vermiculaite and gypsum.. add/hydrate with hot water.. close/seal with trashbags.. once pastuerized i usually mix it all togethr next day when cooled down. i have pic in my gallery, only difference from pic is i use liner instead of individual bags as seen.
That math doesn't check out for standard tubs with 1 650g brick of coir per tub. That'd be 650g*32tubs divided by 1000 to convert to kilos = 20.5kg, where as your bricks only total 10kg. Gotcha though I need to get back to using those fat bricks
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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: junk_f00d]
#26962634 - 09/30/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not at all. I would not consider that standard practice
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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: trippleblack]
#26962640 - 09/30/20 07:00 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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i actually use less coir than most.. i use about 560 grams of coir per monotub.. when i calculate it comes out to something like 4480 grams per cooler of coir.
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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: trippleblack]
#26962645 - 09/30/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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TedsDead said: Not at all. I would not consider that standard practice
Cooking coir is totally standard, from Damion5050 to Bod's revamped version, it's mentioned and performed all the time.
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trippleblack said: i actually use less coir than most.. i use about 560 grams of coir per monotub.. when i calculate it comes out to something like 4480 grams per cooler of coir.
Ah ok, wasn't a big deal anyway as I got your method, it just jumped out at me was all.
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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: filthyknees]
#26962653 - 09/30/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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TedsDead said: Yes, its better than "cooked" coir because its faster IME. Otherwise no difference in results. Get a good culture if u want better results. Or waste time... what ever u prefer
Lol @ the dismissive attitude. Have you done side by side testing? Obviously everyone wants faster grows, but you have to compare yields too, to see if it was really better or just quicker. A better culture would give better results regardless.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26216702 I am open to trying new things. I will give this a shot.
This is an extremely common method used by many many good growers.
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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: Mushlove989]
#26962657 - 09/30/20 07:13 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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IF you are prepping 100 tubs on the regular you will prob move to hot water coir eventually...it really does save a ton of time
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