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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: junk_f00d]
    #26961734 - 09/30/20 10:15 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I saw that before it got deleted. I'm a noob with mush, but VERY experienced with marijuana growing. He was right, cops don't go through electricity usage nor do company's hand it over without a warrant as that is not in their bottom lines best interest. As for the other shit, I thought it was funny and kind of on point. That dude tried to dig at him personally and he fired back in a measured yet entertaining way if you ask me. Clearly he was trying to get under the guy's skin a little with the way he was saying it, but he did it nice enough.

Don't go personal if you don't want people to poke you back. :shrug:

I disagree with :whathesaid:. Lame edit. That shit was funny. I think on topic is on topic, and his posts have been on topic the whole time till the guy said something to try to start shit, and even then he brought it back around to the original topic in the same post. You should be able to reasonably respond to people when they say stuff. Are we not adults?

I don't know maybe I'm just an asshole and moderator powers should be increased to include the ability to protect us all from everything. Even hurt feelings. Daycare style.



he was focusing more on taunting / escalating than content and was posting weird sexually suggestive stuff. I get he was responding to a dig, but the response to a dig isn't dig^2.

anyway, is there a better way to prep 9 or so bricks of coir at once than doing damion5050 x9? I wanna do what Ted said and have bigger days with nothing in between. thinkning about heating up 9*4 quarts of water in my brew kettle and dumping into a trash can and mixing with a drill. it would be cool to see some tek that involves putting a brick of coir + 4 quarts water into like an oven bag then loading the bags into a drum steamer.






55 gal barrels, feed troughs... no need to pasteurize the coir.  Warm water works great.  Lately ill head up a bit less than half of the water I need to an almost boil(this helps the coir expand faster)  then I add the rest as cold as i can get to bring the temp down so its instantly useable.  I would just use the proper temp tap water but I dont have a water heater by where I prep coir.


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: filthyknees]
    #26961768 - 09/30/20 10:49 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Hope you follow through documenting, shroomery needs more threads like this.




Honestly, I'm dying to come across a detailed grow log of a 20+ tub grow. 

Any suggestions from anyone?

I'm prepping for a 20-30 tub grow in a studio apartment.  Last grow was years ago and also my first, but really successful. 1400g+ dried from 7 tubs.  I need to hit 4536g on this one.

It would be great if someone would be willing to help me out with the logistics. I'll 100% document in detail for the community. 


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: TedsDead]
    #26961823 - 09/30/20 11:25 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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55 gal barrels, feed troughs... no need to pasteurize the coir.  Warm water works great.  Lately ill head up a bit less than half of the water I need to an almost boil(this helps the coir expand faster)  then I add the rest as cold as i can get to bring the temp down so its instantly useable.  I would just use the proper temp tap water but I dont have a water heater by where I prep coir.




I'm not aiming to pastuerize it, just cook it in bulk. I was thinking it'd be a clean, lazy method like how people prep grain in bags by just adding the right amount of water but for coir. You'd obviously need a big ass oven bag kinda thing though and I don't know how well it'd saturate the coir in reality or how well it'd work at all, could just totally flop and that's why there's no tek. But the idea would be to do that for as many monos as you're preparing (add brick of coir and water to a bag), then just load into a drum steamer/sterilizer and cook it until you're satisified. So you'd have X monos worth of sub just preportioned and chilling at the end of it.


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: DirdyD] * 1
    #26961829 - 09/30/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Hope you follow through documenting, shroomery needs more threads like this.




Honestly, I'm dying to come across a detailed grow log of a 20+ tub grow. 

Any suggestions from anyone?

I'm prepping for a 20-30 tub grow in a studio apartment.  Last grow was years ago and also my first, but really successful. 1400g+ dried from 7 tubs.  I need to hit 4536g on this one.

It would be great if someone would be willing to help me out with the logistics. I'll 100% document in detail for the community. 




20-30 is managable with a PC, jars and a SAB, no complicated logistics involved. Just begin by prepping and innoculating 10 grain jars worth of grain everyday for 10-15 days then spend another 10-15 days of prepping coir and you've done it.


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: Dhearic]
    #26961838 - 09/30/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I use a 5 cu. ft. cement mixer in my basement.




How much can you prep with your mixer? I'm pondering how I want to upgrade my substrate mixing routine and I keep thinking about cement mixers. Was looking at some like this https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200624040_200624040

Currently using a mortar mixer on my drill to stir up buckets 1 at a time which works well but isn't fast. Ok for spawning 6 tubs, less ok for spawning 60 :shrug:</font></font>




I do 1 5kg block at a time, I can do 1 1/2 5kg blocks (They're actually packages of 1.25kg blocks 4 to a pack) but I do the lesser of the two so it's easier on me to move the tubs that I dump the mixer into around. The water weight alone gets pretty substantial. That and I've found that one 5kg package is enough for ~12 tubs now that I've shrunk my substrate depth.

If cubes were legal I'd have a big commercial operation using a mixer/hopper and an auger supplied dispenser to drop measured amounts of hydrated coir into growing tables.


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: starbones]
    #26961842 - 09/30/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200624040_200624040







Don't buy that, search craigslist instead or get a better deal somewhere. You can get away with buying a cheap ricketty thing because, unless you're actually mixing cement too, you'll never be running near it's load capacity and instead closer to like 10% of it's capacity.

I mean buy if you want, but I wouldn't. You could build a new flowhood and buy a cement mixer for that price.


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: junk_f00d]
    #26961844 - 09/30/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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55 gal barrels, feed troughs... no need to pasteurize the coir.  Warm water works great.  Lately ill head up a bit less than half of the water I need to an almost boil(this helps the coir expand faster)  then I add the rest as cold as i can get to bring the temp down so its instantly useable.  I would just use the proper temp tap water but I dont have a water heater by where I prep coir.




I'm not aiming to pastuerize it, just cook it in bulk. I was thinking it'd be a clean, lazy method like how people prep grain in bags by just adding the right amount of water but for coir. You'd obviously need a big ass oven bag kinda thing though and I don't know how well it'd saturate the coir in reality or how well it'd work at all, could just totally flop and that's why there's no tek. But the idea would be to do that for as many monos as you're preparing (add brick of coir and water to a bag), then just load into a drum steamer/sterilizer and cook it until you're satisified. So you'd have X monos worth of sub just preportioned and chilling at the end of it.




That seems like waaay more work and time than just adding water to the bricks and scooping the coir into the tubs.  No bag waste either.  The integrity of those turky bags is compromized after heating them so they arent really reuseable.

10-15 days prepping coir!?!?  U can prep that much coir in less than an hour.  Its really really easy.  U add water to the coir and verm if u want, then mix.


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: TedsDead] * 1
    #26961851 - 09/30/20 11:45 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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55 gal barrels, feed troughs... no need to pasteurize the coir.  Warm water works great.  Lately ill head up a bit less than half of the water I need to an almost boil(this helps the coir expand faster)  then I add the rest as cold as i can get to bring the temp down so its instantly useable.  I would just use the proper temp tap water but I dont have a water heater by where I prep coir.




I'm not aiming to pastuerize it, just cook it in bulk. I was thinking it'd be a clean, lazy method like how people prep grain in bags by just adding the right amount of water but for coir. You'd obviously need a big ass oven bag kinda thing though and I don't know how well it'd saturate the coir in reality or how well it'd work at all, could just totally flop and that's why there's no tek. But the idea would be to do that for as many monos as you're preparing (add brick of coir and water to a bag), then just load into a drum steamer/sterilizer and cook it until you're satisified. So you'd have X monos worth of sub just preportioned and chilling at the end of it.




That seems like waaay more work and time than just adding water to the bricks and scooping the coir into the tubs.  No bag waste either.  The integrity of those turky bags is compromized after heating them so they arent really reuseable.

10-15 days prepping coir!?!?  U can prep that much coir in less than an hour.  Its really really easy.  U add water to the coir and verm if u want, then mix.




It seems like way less work to me :shrug: Add brick, fill bag, place in drum, done (once you dial in cook times). Then I could just move the bags to a shelf right after and store until I need. Turkey bags were just an example, it's not a streamlined process or thought yet.

I said 10-15 days because that mirrored the innoc schedule, I was stressing the simplicity of it because he was worried about logistics. Just get home from work, cook and noc up 10 jars for 10 days. After that (assuming g2g or LC), get home from work and prep a couple tubs for 10 days (it takes about 10 days from them to colonize and be ready anyway, so he wouldn't need all 10 tubs worth of coir in one day, hypethetically). Boom 20 tubs with probably the same routine for growing he already does.


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: junk_f00d]
    #26961876 - 09/30/20 11:57 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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55 gal barrels, feed troughs... no need to pasteurize the coir.  Warm water works great.  Lately ill head up a bit less than half of the water I need to an almost boil(this helps the coir expand faster)  then I add the rest as cold as i can get to bring the temp down so its instantly useable.  I would just use the proper temp tap water but I dont have a water heater by where I prep coir.




I'm not aiming to pastuerize it, just cook it in bulk. I was thinking it'd be a clean, lazy method like how people prep grain in bags by just adding the right amount of water but for coir. You'd obviously need a big ass oven bag kinda thing though and I don't know how well it'd saturate the coir in reality or how well it'd work at all, could just totally flop and that's why there's no tek. But the idea would be to do that for as many monos as you're preparing (add brick of coir and water to a bag), then just load into a drum steamer/sterilizer and cook it until you're satisified. So you'd have X monos worth of sub just preportioned and chilling at the end of it.




That seems like waaay more work and time than just adding water to the bricks and scooping the coir into the tubs.  No bag waste either.  The integrity of those turky bags is compromized after heating them so they arent really reuseable.

10-15 days prepping coir!?!?  U can prep that much coir in less than an hour.  Its really really easy.  U add water to the coir and verm if u want, then mix.




It seems like way less work to me :shrug: Add brick, fill bag, place in drum, done (once you dial in cook times). Then I could just move the bags to a shelf right after and store until I need. Turkey bags were just an example, it's not a streamlined process or thought yet.

I said 10-15 days because that mirrored the innoc schedule, I was stressing the simplicity of it because he was worried about logistics. Just get home from work, cook and noc up 10 jars for 10 days. After that (assuming g2g or LC), get home from work and prep a couple tubs for 10 days (it takes about 10 days from them to colonize and be ready anyway, so he wouldn't need all 10 tubs worth of coir in one day, hypethetically). Boom 20 tubs with probably the same routine for growing he already does.




Not to thread-jack, but I really appreciate you chiming in on this.  I'm working hella hours at the moment and my brain is consistently fried until the weekend. So, it's a stretch to jump in critical thinking mode during the week. Knocking out a couple after work each day plus the weekend is what I needed to hear. Like I said, thanks.  I may shoot you a message at some point, if you don't mind.


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: DirdyD] * 1
    #26961942 - 09/30/20 12:29 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'm a fan of staggering tubs to spread out the work of harvesting mostly. What I do each day is weigh two tubs worth of coir and throw it in a cooler with boiled water. Shut the cooler and come back to it the next day to put the tubs together. Then immediately weigh out the next days coir in the cooler and add water. I can keep up a constant 25-30 tub grow of TOC this way and I never have to spend an entire day on any part of the process. The downsides are going out of town but you just have to plan ahead for that.

With PE I do a lot less tubs so I'll just put them all together in one day and play the waiting game


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: pureshrooming] * 1
    #26962040 - 09/30/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

the system/resources required for the production of one tub is scalable. If you can run 1 tub you can run 20. The process is precisely the same at volume. This is assuming that you're suitably efficient and have standard operating procedures.
Resource volume is the only thing that changes, or the addition of an assistant(s).  I person can run 20, I'd want to bring in a close friend for 100.


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26962173 - 09/30/20 02:21 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Certain things change when processing in bulk. IE grain prep and dehydration. Doing more at one time does change the procedure a bit


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26962245 - 09/30/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Depends on the grain, but yeah, a bit. Not soo much that it's different though. If you can figure out one tub you can easily tweak those minor differences was my point. Dehydration is the exact same but with equipment that can handle large volume. It's essentially exactly the same.

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Less water weight as you increase grain volume is probably the biggest difference.  You can't just apply the same ratio at scale, that's probably the biggest difference that may not be obvious, unless you're just boiling a large batch of wheat or something. Same goes for sub.


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26962257 - 09/30/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Depends on the grain, but yeah, a bit. Not soo much that it's different though. If you can figure out one tub you can easily tweak those minor differences was my point. Dehydration is the exact same but with equipment that can handle large volume. It's essentially exactly the same.



that's like saying if you can make a cheeseburger you can be a McDonalds. Yeah it's the same process in general, but it's the new equipment that allows the scalability.


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    #26962263 - 09/30/20 03:08 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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It seems like way less work to me :shrug: Add brick, fill bag, place in drum, done (once you dial in cook times). Then I could just move the bags to a shelf right after and store until I need. Turkey bags were just an example, it's not a streamlined process or thought yet.

I said 10-15 days because that mirrored the innoc schedule, I was stressing the simplicity of it because he was worried about logistics. Just get home from work, cook and noc up 10 jars for 10 days. After that (assuming g2g or LC), get home from work and prep a couple tubs for 10 days (it takes about 10 days from them to colonize and be ready anyway, so he wouldn't need all 10 tubs worth of coir in one day, hypethetically). Boom 20 tubs with probably the same routine for growing he already does.





It might seem like that but try both methods and let me know what u think.  It will cost more to process the bags of coir in a steamer as well.  U can always just prep 5kg bricks in a tub and let sit with the lid on but its vest to use them sooner than later.  Considering how little time it takes to prep u might as well do it at the same time that u make the tubs and prep exactly what u need.


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: junk_f00d]
    #26962273 - 09/30/20 03:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

yeah obviously you need a larger sterilizer, larger room to fit tubs, larger hood....the process is not complicated and remains the same.

Have you grown 20 tubs? its not that hard, and it's not all that different than growing one tub.


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    #26962283 - 09/30/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Its alot easier to baby 1 tub than give perfect conditions to 20 or 100.  Theres alot of tradeoffs to be considered


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: TedsDead]
    #26962292 - 09/30/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yes but I think you know exactly what I'm saying. I've never grown 100 so I wouldn't know about that with any real accuracy.


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    #26962294 - 09/30/20 03:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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It might seem like that but try both methods and let me know what u think.  It will cost more to process the bags of coir in a steamer as well.  U can always just prep 5kg bricks in a tub and let sit with the lid on but its vest to use them sooner than later.  Considering how little time it takes to prep u might as well do it right wjen u make the tubs and prep exactly what u need.




I don't have my steamer built yet but it's next on the list. I don't care much about the increased cost tbh, it's pretty marginal at the end of the day IMO. But I don't even know if the moisture would be distributed properly or how it'd really turn out but I found some big (2'x3') polypropelyne (same stuff spawn bags are made out of) bags for $0.22/bag when you buy 50. In my head I imagine them coming out of the steamer with that vaccuum seal just like spawn bags do, just a lot bigger, so they'd stack neat and stuff and I could then just store them and use them as I need em. Might even double as a tub-liner if i buy the right size. (trigger warning) I could even sterilize them if I wanted to store them indefinately without worry, I'd imagine, which could be nice. I'll give it a go when I get around to building my steamer and see how much work it really ends up being..


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Re: ~100 Monotub grow in the works [Re: junk_f00d]
    #26962334 - 09/30/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

you guys got me looking for local suppliers of body bags now..  i bet those would be amazing for bulk pastuerizing.


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