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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26952467 - 09/24/20 10:15 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Trychoplast - "There are no neurons present, but in the absence of a nervous system the animal use short chains of amino acids known as peptides for cell communication, in a way that resembles how animals with neurons use neuropeptides for the same purpose. Individual cells contain and secrete a variety of small peptides, made up of between four and 20 amino acids, which are detected by neighbouring cells. Each peptide can be used individually to send a signal to other cells, but also sequentially or together in different combinations, creating a huge number a different types of signals. This allows for a relatively complex behavior such as crinkling, turning, flattening, and internal churning."

Trychoplast got some moves! Maybe not faster than nerves, but it still shows that a nervous system isn't needed for inter cellular communication. I'm not making a major point, just thought it was interesting.


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: Rahz]
    #26952559 - 09/24/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

it's tropism which is like growth or development, but misinterpreted as volitional movement.


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26952610 - 09/24/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Volition or not, the point still stands, that cell to cell communication happens without dedicated nerve cells. I'm not trying to support thealienthatategod's argument. But who knows what is possible? It's an interesting concept, though I don't believe the type of memory we're talking about is stored outside the brain and nervous system. However, there's a theory which states that specialized cells are higher order functions of things cells were doing already. Much I don't know.


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26952669 - 09/24/20 12:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I did not follow up, but my kids believed I took it to Dog Heaven, i.e. euthanization, and to this day would not trust me with a furry creature, but I am sure that dog found a happier life than the freedom I gave it in the city.




SO... Thealien,... Can you read between the lines? I was going to argue some more to promote the Turbo Encabulator... but this furry prophet is DONE yapping!


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #26952786 - 09/24/20 01:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Opening the floodgates to parapsychology and giving cadence to mediums, tarot card readers and people we know in modern times are frauds..

Photosynthesis and cellular respiration are arms of quantum biology, quantum biology is nothing new.

We already have 8 senses, telekenisis would be with yourself, and remote viewing? How in gobs is that brought into the equation? 

Our potential is already out there as humans.

Learning more about placebo is something I'm down for, but it's hard to imagine that telekenisis with my foot will be the answer.


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #26952809 - 09/24/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
I did not follow up, but my kids believed I took it to Dog Heaven, i.e. euthanization, and to this day would not trust me with a furry creature, but I am sure that dog found a happier life than the freedom I gave it in the city.




SO... Thealien,... Can you read between the lines? I was going to argue some more to promote the Turbo Encabulator... but this furry prophet is DONE yapping!



the Bichon was called cookie. alien is another breed, but group therapy on a farm with other mutts is highly regarded as humane.

may we all have happy homes in the future.
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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26952880 - 09/24/20 02:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
I did not follow up, but my kids believed I took it to Dog Heaven, i.e. euthanization, and to this day would not trust me with a furry creature, but I am sure that dog found a happier life than the freedom I gave it in the city.




SO... Thealien,... Can you read between the lines? I was going to argue some more to promote the Turbo Encabulator... but this furry prophet is DONE yapping!



the Bichon was called cookie. alien is another breed, but group therapy on a farm with other mutts is highly regarded as humane.

may we all have happy homes in the future.
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i was sent to the Shroomery for group therapy.

Moses, as far as your Turbo Encabulator, you speak an infinite deal of nothing!

Sudly,

it’s about a world just beyond the horizon of human perception.  yes, we already live in this world, but how many can perceive and manipulate it?  it’s unfortunate that many mediums are frauds, but that doesn’t make all mediums frauds.

human potential is suppressed, how many live in an environment where they have access to investigating the unknown side of their being?  there is boundless unused potential in human beings, and these concepts/hypotheses/models/theories broaden the image of what a human being is.  imagine if everybody could use the power of their psyche completely in conjunction with the full actualization of a healthy body.

the placebo effect demonstrates time and time again that human consciousness is a fundamental part to the body's self-regulation.  consciousness doesn't end with a boundary where the body begins, they are a continuum. when the mind speaks, the body is always listening, whether we become consciously aware of this conversation or not, likewise, when the body speaks, the mind must interpret.  the subconscious has access to an uncommon volition because it does not have expectations, immediate inclinations, social conventions, or desires for a specific outcome. in this flow state, where external rewards are disregarded, there is an absence of limiting self-consciousness, and a space is created for capabilities to manifest that are outside what is normally accessible to the conscious physical senses.

there is evidence that stone age cultures used remote viewing in hunting.  remote viewing is a universal human capacity that all humans possess, and most are unconsciously utilizing it.  it is brought into the equation, because as an individual gains the ability to interact with flows of energy and information they will consciously begin to have a direct experience of this energy and information, even when this energy and information is a person or an event outside of the normally perceivable world.  it is a normal sensory impression, that can be cultivated to the forefront of consciousness.  knowing ones own internal body substrate can lead to advances in intuition, because this knowing is closer to reality than perceived reality, given that it is based on far more information.


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #26952943 - 09/24/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I would have to send you back given the file.
there is no more we can do for you here.


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #26952992 - 09/24/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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the subconscious has access to an uncommon volition because it does not have expectations, immediate inclinations, social conventions, or desires for a specific outcome.





I agree that the unconscious or subconscious has access to an uncommon volition.  I do not agree that it lacks expectations, or the desire for specific outcomes.


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26952993 - 09/24/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Re: thealienthatategod

Would seem on a forum like this the appropriate style of posting is somewhere between actual highly technical scientific papers published in science journals that, no one here can fully understand, and pure dogmatism or fanatical belief.

Personal opinions without a chain of convincing logic, or links to peer reviewed studies, or a link to some respected source or sources, remain just that: only another opinion among hundreds or thousands of opinions, and as such hardly worth much attention, in cases where one wishes to determine the truth of a matter. There are many oddball theories and crackpots, so reproducible results, randomized subjects, controls, and peer review, etc. are all part of the scientific process. One or 2 studies frequently prove nothing.

The world is full of superstitious people who are sure they are right. Baseball players are known to be examples of this.

Certainly there are occasional cases of dreams 'predicting' the future, but most don't, so there is no way to know which do ahead of time. Likewise among billions of people having trillions of interactions some psychic phenomenon seem to occur. But again no one has a proven teachable method others can use to get rich or live forever or read minds, & so on. As a result those who become preoccupied with such stuff tend to be either a bit neurotic or become suckers or both.

Is it possible to break boards with bare hands? Maybe. But to experience it one has to firstly decide it is a worthwhile pursuit and 2ndly make an enormous commitment of time and energy. Many spiritual traditions advise against pursuing strange powers.


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26953006 - 09/24/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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the subconscious has access to an uncommon volition because it does not have expectations, immediate inclinations, social conventions, or desires for a specific outcome.





I agree that the unconscious or subconscious has access to an uncommon volition.  I do not agree that it lacks expectations, or the desire for specific outcomes.



there is no subconscious, just delete the 'sub' or replace using the word mind. it will mean the same, if it means anything, and I am not sure that it will (mean anything).


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26953145 - 09/24/20 05:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I think "unconscious" as opposed to "conscious" is useful.  "Sub" would imply lesser than or below which seems a bit off.  Consciousness is like an ocean?


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26953381 - 09/24/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

yeah, except for the fish and the weeds and the boats etc.


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #26954653 - 09/25/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Moses, as far as your Turbo Encabulator, you speak an infinite deal of nothing!






Well, I have never... Good sir, I will have you know... that Rockwell Electronics has stolen technology from the turbo encabulator, with their "retro encabulator" (sic). Here is the full academic citation as my reference as to how very good and valuable this concept is!

Carnes, R. L. (2008). Rockwell Retro Encabulator. YouTube.


(Because if you can watch a video about it on YouTube, then you can be certain that it is correct, and nothing should ever change your mind about it.)

But so far as you being sent to Shroomery for therapy-- This was in no way a blow-off, or someone trying to get rid of you. Shroomerytherapytm is a highly respected means of group therapy, so please don't feel like your therapist was just trying to tell you to bug off. However, the correct forum for that sort of discussion is in the Shroomery University area. This is where you can teach others your expertise: Individuals in that area are prepared to be enlightened. Though we do all like to disagree with each other here, all of us here are very limited by the small-minded constraints of logic, consistency, and our dogmatic need for some semblance of academic rigor. Also, you may try posting in the Conspiracies and Coverups area, because Western medicine is just not ready for this sort of advanced learning.


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #26955306 - 09/26/20 12:03 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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thealienthatategod said: Sudly,

it’s about a world just beyond the horizon of human perception.  yes, we already live in this world, but how many can perceive and manipulate it?  it’s unfortunate that many mediums are frauds, but that doesn’t make all mediums frauds.




That all mediums are not frauds in your view is the chasm that divides us. I find the practice appalling, to cold read vulnerable people often grieving the loss of a loved one or financial crisis/addiction. The practices of receiving cash and giving back a conjugated word salad of lies and guesses.

There is no medium on earth who is legitimate, some guesses may land, but that they are guesses is indisputable.

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thealienthatategod said:  human potential is suppressed, how many live in an environment where they have access to investigating the unknown side of their being?  there is boundless unused potential in human beings, and these concepts/hypotheses/models/theories broaden the image of what a human being is.  imagine if everybody could use the power of their psyche completely in conjunction with the full actualization of a healthy body.




There is boundless unused potential in human beings, I agree to this one! :thumbup:

What you appear to think is suppressing this human potential would be good for us to clarify imo.

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thealienthatategod said: the placebo effect demonstrates time and time again that human consciousness is a fundamental part to the body's self-regulation.  consciousness doesn't end with a boundary where the body begins, they are a continuum. when the mind speaks, the body is always listening, whether we become consciously aware of this conversation or not, likewise, when the body speaks, the mind must interpret.  the subconscious has access to an uncommon volition because it does not have expectations, immediate inclinations, social conventions, or desires for a specific outcome.




I agree entirely.

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thealienthatategod said: in this flow state, where external rewards are disregarded, there is an absence of limiting self-consciousness, and a space is created for capabilities to manifest that are outside what is normally accessible to the conscious physical senses.




Flow state doesn't mean anything to me.

Is there a chance you could simplify or expand on the above paragraph? I find it interesting to read but difficult to interpret, I feel like it makes some sense but I can't quite put into words where I agree with you on that.

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thealienthatategod said: there is evidence that stone age cultures used remote viewing in hunting.  remote viewing is a universal human capacity that all humans possess, and most are unconsciously utilizing it.  it is brought into the equation, because as an individual gains the ability to interact with flows of energy and information they will consciously begin to have a direct experience of this energy and information, even when this energy and information is a person or an event outside of the normally perceivable world.  it is a normal sensory impression, that can be cultivated to the forefront of consciousness.  knowing ones own internal body substrate can lead to advances in intuition, because this knowing is closer to reality than perceived reality, given that it is based on far more information.




Sounds like the vestibular system and our sense of balance. Proprioception and the sense of the orientation and movement of our muscles. Interoception and awareness of internal ongoings, plus stereognosis and the skill of realising visualisations.

https://www.spdstar.org/basic/your-8-senses#f8


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #26955640 - 09/26/20 06:43 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

as you get more stoned, ordinary things seem composed more of blending colored energy than of solid forms.
the whole kaleidoscopic experience is consistent with overlapping moments of sensation and thought, blurred together like cartoon energy.

do not take it too seriously


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: sudly]
    #26957144 - 09/27/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

humans suppress their own potential.  largely due to perceptual distortions and poor internal programming/self-limiting expectations.  it is only me that stands in the way of i.  humans choose to live only part of the life that they are given.  dramatic transformations of mind and body are at the fingertips, but most can't comprehend their potential for an extraordinary life.  of course, cultural conditioning/social programming is a factor in extinguishing great potential, but it is up to the individual to step over the boundaries that cultural conditioning emphasizes and pursue their own realizations.

regarding the placebo effect, and taken in consideration with the previous paragraph, humans possess largely untapped capacities to balance and restore their own functioning.  what i mean by a non-limiting self-consciousness -  is one that does not presuppose, or classify, or evaluate.  this intuitiveness’s greatest capability is in listening - it is not consciously trying to interpret anything, and it is able to access the part of the body that knows how to heal istelf.  a flow state is a place where the mind is quieted and the senses are hyper-focused,  when the mind is free the senses can begin to function with a new clarity and scope.  when this space is created, moods, perceptions, autonomic functioning, motor functioning, ect. can be improved through an individual's self-regulatory powers.  the mind is capable of managing matter -  the power of belief is actualized in its ability to override what conscious physical reality says is possible.

the ability to interface with non-local reality requires analogues of ordinary seeing, hearing, smelling etc.  it it a sense perception that is able to gather and decode information and energy faster than conscious sense communication abilities.  the same state that i wrote about in the above paragraph, that allows the placebo effect to manifest, is the same state that allows an ability like remote viewing to manifest, but it is more consciously cultivated.  information is conveyed in a fully intuitive sense, and the viewer has access to metanormal sensory perception, because the experiemce is taking place in a bandwidth that is not consciously trying to interpret it.


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26957148 - 09/27/20 08:13 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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as you get more stoned, ordinary things seem composed more of blending colored energy than of solid forms.
the whole kaleidoscopic experience is consistent with overlapping moments of sensation and thought, blurred together like cartoon energy.

do not take it too seriously




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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #26959629 - 09/29/20 12:59 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The stuff above this makes enough sense to me, I agree with the general direction of it.

The below though.. I think it confuses things.

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thealienthatategod said: the power of belief is actualized in its ability to override what conscious physical reality says is possible.




Actualising or realising goals we set or the ideas we have is a good skill to train, but I think that what we're aiming to override is the procrastination and hesitation to act or follow through.

Overcoming our doubts maybe.

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thealienthatategod said: the ability to interface with non-local reality requires analogues of ordinary seeing, hearing, smelling etc.  it it a sense perception that is able to gather and decode information and energy faster than conscious sense communication abilities.  the same state that i wrote about in the above paragraph, that allows the placebo effect to manifest, is the same state that allows an ability like remote viewing to manifest, but it is more consciously cultivated.  information is conveyed in a fully intuitive sense, and the viewer has access to metanormal sensory perception, because the experiemce is taking place in a bandwidth that is not consciously trying to interpret it.




I think I can see the angle you're coming from with mention of a 'flow state', but I disagree with your choice of words, how exactly you've described it.

There is a way to reduce the viscocity or resistance associated with our hesitations to better maintain a flow of positive placebo.

The take away for me is that we CAN access unlimited placebo, but the cost associated with it isn't entirely clear to me as of yet.

I am still working on practicing and learning to articulate the steps that remove me from inactivity.


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Re: Evolution, religion probability and physics [Re: sudly]
    #26959830 - 09/29/20 07:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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The take away for me is that we CAN access unlimited placebo, but the cost associated with it isn't entirely clear to me as of yet.




what would be the potential cost?

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I am still working on practicing and learning to articulate the steps that remove me from inactivity.




what do you mean by this?


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