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1st time poster | too many blue clusters?
    #26954627 - 09/25/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Good day community,

First a tremendous thank you to all who have contributed to this forum. Since mid July this has been my one and only go to for any related questions, teks, how to, how don’t, etc. I’ve dig deep into posts a decade + and find valuable info when climbing down the rabbit hole.

(On a side note, seeing some really old posts I have even googled “when did Shroomery.com start / first post” I’d be interested to know)

Over the last 3 months I’ve built a laminar flow hood, made my own agar and have a half dozen species lay in wait, grown some enormous PE#6 (thanks RR), experiments with BOD’s unmodified, open air fruiting, and many other things I’d like to share later in the appropriate sub categories. 

I will post some cube pics and other fun ones later but for now my dilemma . . .

I started with blue oyster syringes to rye berries, then from quart jars went with a masters mix in bags, after colonized I put them into a vivosun 5ft x 5ft greenhouse in garage. (Originally had cubes in it but they work much better with less space for me and used a king size mattress cover and wire shelving to make a mini Martha inside basement bathroom)

So being a newbies sort of (I used this site back in early 00’s to grow brf cakes using PETek.) but wanted to experiment with gourmet mushrooms.

And as a newbie, I got anxious and after a few days in the greenhouse in garage and having cut x’s in my blue oyster bags I cut the top of of 6 to see if it would speed up primordial/pins.

Well it did, and maybe too much. I’ve been reading about others who cut off the smaller pins/aborts as they get in the way of the major fruiting bodies.

I have 3 questions.

1. Should I start cutting off the smaller clusters and focus on the larger ones?

2. I do not want these to drop spores until I have an exhaust fan that actually leaves my garage. I’m worried about the spores being pushed out through the fan I gave pointing out of the tent and being left on all the other shit in my garage.

3. Should I run the exhaust fan from the bottom of the tent or from the top?

Thanks much for any help/insight/guidance as cubes seem to leave me with less anxiety of infecting my family with spores and I don’t want to give anyone spore lung.

Thank you again to everyone who contributes to this forum, now that I’ve broken my cherry I will plan to post more.




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Re: 1st time poster | too many blue clusters? [Re: Choosingthephoenix]
    #26954634 - 09/25/20 02:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

1. IME there's no need to prune oysters, they'll self-select the fruits they want and abort the rest.  (as opposed to king oysters which I prefer to prune)

2. Just harvest before they drop spores - don't let the edges of the caps get flat, harvest when they're curled down still a bit.  Kinda hard to explain.

3. This is often debated so I'm not gonna go there... i'll let someone else answer if they want.


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Re: 1st time poster | too many blue clusters? [Re: Forrester]
    #26954666 - 09/25/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I’m nit sure if it’s ok to reply to a post within 24 hours of your first one, if so my apologies all.

Thank you much for the reply. As with everything so far the trial and error and figuring out “dialing it in” can mean so many things for different people and climates.

As a first grow of blue oysters and not exactly sure when the spores will drop over been keeping an eye on it.

Please see the rest of the original pics I meant to post with OP. I can n

I couldn’t figure out how to add pictures to me first post but did edit it with one. The caps look to be getting flat but not turning upwards on the outer edges so they are probably ok for a little more time?















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Re: 1st time poster | too many blue clusters? [Re: Choosingthephoenix]
    #26954833 - 09/25/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26463135/page/3 ready set debate.

I have found that my disc humidifier works better with a higher pipe. Seems like that height gives time for more fog to build up in the pipe then kinda pour out. I tried a short pipe and it just under-performed. :shrug: But if I hook a pipe up 5-6 feet from the floor it will pour out mist and become a quick fog. And that would mean for a Martha setup the exhaust would be on the bottom. My new setup has input and exhaust on the top. That is bigger than a Martha though. But I got to kick the tires still on that.


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Re: 1st time poster | too many blue clusters? [Re: seagu]
    #26954842 - 09/25/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You're all good on the rules, you can reply to the thread as often as you want, they just mean don't post after post of just yourself "bumping" your thread when nobody has replied yet (people do it all the time it's annoying).

Those oysters aren't anywhere near ready so you're good there too.  You'll want to give them more air though, as much as you can, they are pretty air starved you can tell by the stems getting longer.  Blues are the hardest of any oyster (which are among the hardest of any mushroom) to get enough air to.  So it's a challenge!


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Re: 1st time poster | too many blue clusters? [Re: Forrester]
    #26956258 - 09/26/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Well these blue love to grow up quick huh?

I have restaurants lined up that want samples but am still not sure as it is first grow of when to cut my biggest bunch.

Thanks much for the replies so far. I’m doing a few more g2g’s now too keep the supply up.

A restaurant offered me $14 per pound wet for my blue and pinks, I’m not familiar and can someone tell me if that is a fair price?

















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Re: 1st time poster | too many blue clusters? [Re: Choosingthephoenix]
    #26956374 - 09/26/20 04:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The reason you have so many small mushrooms is that you removed the bag from the top of the block. You want to slice the bag. I like to use the bottom of the bag and I try not to lift the bag away from the sub when slicing the bag. So either slice the bag from corner to corner on the bottom or slice some 2 to 3-inch x's in the bag. Removing the bag from the top will cause your sub to dry out quicker and cause smaller fruits but more of them.

Also, be careful with that fan blowing on the mushies it will dry them out. You want the air moving but not blowing directly on the mushrooms.


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Re: 1st time poster | too many blue clusters? [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26956564 - 09/26/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you for the reply. I got anxious and saw the primordia and cut the tops off. It was my first oyster grow and did not head the sage advice.

For my pinks lined up next to them I did only cut x’s in the 4 sides of bags but not towards the bottom like you suggested. Will do that with the kings and next batch of blue and pinks colonizing now.

The fan seen in the picture is facing outwards to take air out as I’ve been so worried about the blue spores. I have another fan on the front side blowing air in, but plan on having a intake fan and exhaust fan coming in and out garage door sooner than later.

Thank you again to all for the valued information


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Re: 1st time poster | too many blue clusters? [Re: Choosingthephoenix]
    #26956854 - 09/26/20 11:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, a couple of things here you don't want to slice the bags for kings. Kings from what I understand you do cut the bag off but leave about an inch of the bag sticking up above the sub. The inch of bag will make a microclimate for the kings to pin. Don't quote me on that. I don't grow kings but that is what I have heard.

Your best bet is to just have an exhaust fan at the bottom of the room and have a hole in the side of the room. This is called a passive air intake. The exhaust will cause air to be pulled in through the hole in the wall and if you have any spores drop they will go out the exhaust. If you blow air in you will create positive pressure which will push out the spores into your house.


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Re: 1st time poster | too many blue clusters? [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26956862 - 09/26/20 11:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

What you saw on the top of the bag that made you get anxious and cut off the bag was likely due to you having to much air in the bag. Make sure you push out all the air from the bag when you fruit. I use these releasable cable ties so when it is time to fruit I push out the air and reseal the cable tie tight against the sub...

https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-Releasable-cable-50LBS-100pcs/dp/B004C4ZRIK/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3ITAFCNRH4FQ1&dchild=1&keywords=monoprice+cable+ties&qid=1601184732&s=industrial&sprefix=monoprice+cable%2Cindustrial%2C160&sr=1-3

The reason I cut the bottom of the bag is that it is nice and flat and tight against the sub. If any air gets in the bag you will get pins under the bag that will not grow properly. If you cut the bottom of the bag it is tight against the sub and the only part of the sub that will fruit is where the slice is so you will get a nice cluster. This is why I say try not to lift the bag when you slice lay your blade flat and use as much of the blade as possible. Most people use the tip of the blade which is wrong.


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Re: 1st time poster | too many blue clusters? [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26956899 - 09/27/20 12:14 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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SHROOMSISAY01 said:
What you saw on the top of the bag that made you get anxious and cut off the bag was likely due to you having to much air in the bag. Make sure you push out all the air from the bag when you fruit. I use these releasable cable ties so when it is time to fruit I push out the air and reseal the cable tie tight against the sub...

https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-Releasable-cable-50LBS-100pcs/dp/B004C4ZRIK/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3ITAFCNRH4FQ1&dchild=1&keywords=monoprice+cable+ties&qid=1601184732&s=industrial&sprefix=monoprice+cable%2Cindustrial%2C160&sr=1-3

The reason I cut the bottom of the bag is that it is nice and flat and tight against the sub. If any air gets in the bag you will get pins under the bag that will not grow properly. If you cut the bottom of the bag it is tight against the sub and the only part of the sub that will fruit is where the slice is so you will get a nice cluster. This is why I say try not to lift the bag when you slice lay your blade flat and use as much of the blade as possible. Most people use the tip of the blade which is wrong.




Do you use cables for spawn too? I bought cheap sealer and it's pain in the ass to properly adjust it. Each bags seems to be different.


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Re: 1st time poster | too many blue clusters? [Re: Bsdgaou]
    #26958643 - 09/28/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

So I harvested the blue oysters and some of the pinks today. The restaurant loved the blue oysters and plan to bring them the pinks today.

My question is I ordered the reusable cable zip ties from amazon, can I take the blue oyster blocks that I already cut the tops off and put them in new bags and zip tie them with no air and then cut the x’s in bottom corners of the bags?

Would this work to get flushes from the bottom? Thanks again for all the help folks, I appreciate it much.


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Re: 1st time poster | too many blue clusters? [Re: Bsdgaou]
    #26958737 - 09/28/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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SHROOMSISAY01 said:
What you saw on the top of the bag that made you get anxious and cut off the bag was likely due to you having to much air in the bag. Make sure you push out all the air from the bag when you fruit. I use these releasable cable ties so when it is time to fruit I push out the air and reseal the cable tie tight against the sub...

https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-Releasable-cable-50LBS-100pcs/dp/B004C4ZRIK/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3ITAFCNRH4FQ1&dchild=1&keywords=monoprice+cable+ties&qid=1601184732&s=industrial&sprefix=monoprice+cable%2Cindustrial%2C160&sr=1-3

The reason I cut the bottom of the bag is that it is nice and flat and tight against the sub. If any air gets in the bag you will get pins under the bag that will not grow properly. If you cut the bottom of the bag it is tight against the sub and the only part of the sub that will fruit is where the slice is so you will get a nice cluster. This is why I say try not to lift the bag when you slice lay your blade flat and use as much of the blade as possible. Most people use the tip of the blade which is wrong.




Do you use cables for spawn too? I bought cheap sealer and it's pain in the ass to properly adjust it. Each bags seems to be different.




Yes, I use the cable ties for my spawn bags.


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Re: 1st time poster | too many blue clusters? [Re: Choosingthephoenix]
    #26958752 - 09/28/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Choosingthephoenix said:
So I harvested the blue oysters and some of the pinks today. The restaurant loved the blue oysters and plan to bring them the pinks today.

My question is I ordered the reusable cable zip ties from amazon, can I take the blue oyster blocks that I already cut the tops off and put them in new bags and zip tie them with no air and then cut the x’s in bottom corners of the bags?

Would this work to get flushes from the bottom? Thanks again for all the help folks, I appreciate it much.




You could but I wouldn't. I would just make new bags. Just to be clear I don't cut x's in the corners I make one slice from corner to corner.


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