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Gypsum or not in sub? 1
#26954400 - 09/25/20 12:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Some TCs don't use gypsum. Some do. Some of them use no gypsum, but use something other than coir / verm.
Is there a 2020 consensus on gypsum or not?
I'm wondering if it ended up in the older recommendations for no good reason.
Maybe in the 80s some Hank Hill who grew a beautiful lawn in clay soil by adding gypsum thought it belonged in shroom sub, and wrote it up. It sounded smart so people ran with it.
Psilocybin, psilocin, and Baeocystin contain no sulfur, so I don't see why shrooms would need gypsum. Gypsum is mostly used for poor soil outdoors, and verm / coir seems like a good "soil."
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, I'm basically taking a poll of people to see what the current best practice is.
Is just using coir with verm good? What's your take on that, and on gypsum, and whether it's needed or not.
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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: nektar61] 1
#26954414 - 09/25/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm here for the results. I have some Gypsum I was planning to use with Rye Berries per RR, but I don't even understand it's benefit there, let alone with coir
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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: nektar61] 2
#26954420 - 09/25/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I add it if I have it, but usually I don't have any gypsum with me. Can't notice much of a difference with vs without, certainly not in performance. It does seem to me that gypsum improves the consistency and texture of the substrate somewhat, but that could be my imagination playing tricks on me.
For cubes, we mainly use gypsum to adjust the pH of peat based casing material (for PE vatieties that benefit from it), becuase gypsum adds sulfur and calcium carbonate which helps to stabilize PH levels, as well as adding minerals that the colony can use for fruit formation.
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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: Josex]
#26954626 - 09/25/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Josex said: For cubes, we mainly use gypsum to adjust the pH of peat based casing material (for PE vatieties that benefit from it), becuase gypsum adds sulfur and calcium carbonate which helps to stabilize PH levels, as well as adding minerals that the colony can use for fruit formation.
Thank you.
Would you skip it for B+? What about for Texas Orange Cap? and for AA+?
(I'm agar-ing those now.)
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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: nektar61] 2
#26954691 - 09/25/20 03:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wouldnt bother with the gypsum
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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: LotKid]
#26954729 - 09/25/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Josex said: For cubes, we mainly use gypsum to adjust the pH of peat based casing material (for PE vatieties that benefit from it), becuase gypsum adds sulfur and calcium carbonate which helps to stabilize PH levels, as well as adding minerals that the colony can use for fruit formation.
Thank you.
Would you skip it for B+? What about for Texas Orange Cap? and for AA+?
(I'm agar-ing those now.)
Those are all cubes, they need the same things and the same fruiting parameters and gypsum is a completely optional additive that won't do much if anything at all.
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. Unless you're making a casing for PE varieties, but even then the gypsum it's not a "make it or break it" kinda deal, it's just there to help stabilize PH levels.
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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: Josex] 2
#26954755 - 09/25/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have never ever ever seen a difference in yield, quality of fruit, potency.... orgasm intensity.... from gypsum vs none. The only thing i think it does help with is avoiding clumpy grain. But even that is just a noob mistake that can be avoided with no gypsum and a little practice. I bought a huge bag when i was new and i still have some. I throw it in sometimes but that's mainly just to use it up and clear up some space.
I do not think it's needed at all. Coir and verm for me.
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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: LotKid]
#26954768 - 09/25/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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LotKid said: I wouldnt bother with the gypsum
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verum subsequentis said: I have never ever ever seen a difference in yield, quality of fruit, potency.... orgasm intensity.... from gypsum vs none. The only thing i think it does help with is avoiding clumpy grain. But even that is just a noob mistake that can be avoided with no gypsum and a little practice. I bought a huge bag when i was new and i still have some. I throw it in sometimes but that's mainly just to use it up and clear up some space.
I do not think it's needed at all. Coir and verm for me.
Thank you.
I bought a 10-kilo bag. I guess when I move out my roommate will wonder why there's a 20-kilo bag of gypsum in the back of his garage. lol.
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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: nektar61] 1
#26954808 - 09/25/20 05:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just use it up. It certainly doesn't hurt. Plus, then you can start a rainbow rumor that'll take us years to debunk. Just make sure it's nice and impossible to prove or disprove. Like when you dose a friend, tell them that they'll have enjoyable but slightly frightening memories of the child hood surface exactly when the trip is at 42% power. This is obviously because of the increase in particular actives that is created by the interactions between the gypsum and the snail jizz.
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verum subsequentis said: Just use it up. It certainly doesn't hurt. Plus, then you can start a rainbow rumor that'll take us years to debunk. Just make sure it's nice and impossible to prove or disprove. Like when you dose a friend, tell them that they'll have enjoyable but slightly frightening memories of the child hood surface exactly when the trip is at 42% power. This is obviously because of the increase in particular actives that is created by the interactions between the gypsum and the snail jizz.
That's hilarious.
But what's a rainbow rumor ?
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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: nektar61] 1
#26954880 - 09/25/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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well, the rainbow family uses them to describe wild shit you hear but can never verify at a gathering but i like to call what we do "rainbow farming" so i used it a little differently.
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I have not found a use for gypsum when growing cubes.
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CocaineBuffet said: I have not found a use for gypsum when growing cubes.
It's old info...no real gain or loss honestly....just one more step
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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: Tormato] 2
#26954967 - 09/25/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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CocaineBuffet said: I have not found a use for gypsum when growing cubes.
It's old info...no real gain or loss honestly....just one more step 
Agreed. I bought some thinking it was an important element in the hobby and have yet to open the bag.
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CocaineBuffet said: I have not found a use for gypsum when growing cubes.
It's old info...no real gain or loss honestly....just one more step 
Agreed. I bought some thinking it was an important element in the hobby and have yet to open the bag.
For everyone with a 20 kilo bag of gypsum like me, it can be used to make homemade toothpaste, if anyone wants to give Toms of Maine a run.
Shroom toothpaste anyone?
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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: nektar61]
#26955159 - 09/25/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe i am in the minority, but i find gypsum is beneficial. The sub consistency is better, the slight pH buffering seems to help with controlling (not eliminating) some contams and i find the fruits to look healthier. This is by no means a scientific observation and it's purely anecdotal. Its a cheap and simple addition to the sub. I am not an outspoken advocate or anything, just my experiences with it.
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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: maxmush] 2
#26955162 - 09/25/20 09:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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get back to us in a few years
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verum subsequentis said: get back to us in a few years
lol.
So do you think it doesn't even help with contams?
I'm not fighting to use it. Just want to know if it is useless, which it looks like from the response here from long-time users and TCs.
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