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Possible psilocybe fimetaria in England
#26954564 - 09/25/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Found what I think may be psilocybe fimetaria on Dartmoor in England.
Was out hunting for libs (very confident in their identification) and saw these growing on cow dung- was interested by the pronounced nipple on a few, vertical stripes on the wetter mushrooms around the cap like on p.semilanceata and most importantly one with a blue base (photo sadly doesn't show it too well).


Can't think what else it could be, any suggestions?
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Re: Possible psilocybe fimetaria in England [Re: Maxshroom]
#26954631 - 09/25/20 02:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nice find! Wait for people with more xperience, but yeah, they sure look like 'em.
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Re: Possible psilocybe fimetaria in England [Re: ZenZone]
#26954706 - 09/25/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah it's an interesting one for sure, can't find much information about them. The you can see the blue and the gills here:
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Re: Possible psilocybe fimetaria in England [Re: Maxshroom]
#26954751 - 09/25/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maxshroom said: Found what I think may be psilocybe fimetaria on Dartmoor in England.
Was out hunting for libs (very confident in their identification) and saw these growing on cow dung- was interested by the pronounced nipple on a few, vertical stripes on the wetter mushrooms around the cap like on p.semilanceata and most importantly one with a blue base (photo sadly doesn't show it too well).


Can't think what else it could be, any suggestions?
I had something similar looking a few years back although they weren’t found on dung and didn’t have any blueing... thought they were p. strictipes at the time. Your wetter specimens there look almost identical.
Very interested to find out if/what they are, another possibility maybe a deconica sp. going by what a TI said on my post?
Here’s the link to the thread of what I found a few years back take a look and let me know what you think
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19110928
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Re: Possible psilocybe fimetaria in England [Re: Maxshroom] 1
#26954784 - 09/25/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maxshroom said: Can't think what else it could be, any suggestions?
Take a needle and check if there is a gelatinous string along the gill edges. In that case it is Psilocybe liniformans.
But yeah, otherwise I think you're most likely right on P. fimetaria.
Very cool find. I still haven't found these here in Norway, although they apparently have been found here. Rare shit. Mind you, it would be nice if you actually tried to get a DNA sequence of these to confirm which species.
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Re: Possible psilocybe fimetaria in England [Re: Anglerfish]
#26954857 - 09/25/20 05:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Possible psilocybe fimetaria in England [Re: Moria841]
#26955303 - 09/26/20 12:00 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was going to say I think the one that is bruising is probably a different species, but I actually think I see faint bluing on one of the other stems.
You should definitely make prints and dry the specimens and make sure that they find their way under a scope (better yet several) and get them sequenced.
I don’t know if any truly confirmed P. fimetaria finds exist, and don’t believe they have ever been sequenced. I would love for them to be a real deal species but haven’t seen any real evidence for them existing.
One thing is certain, they are a potentially active species of dubious identity, and that is about as exciting as things get in my world! And why they should absolutely be studied and not eaten, unless they are shown to be a well known species that just presented a bit funny.
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Re: Possible psilocybe fimetaria in England [Re: Flyinghigh]
#26955452 - 09/26/20 02:21 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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They do look similar, the main difference i see is how they are growing from dung, definitely not from the grass like a lib would. I'd be pretty sure that yours are libs, these look slightly different again with the shape of the cap and the length of stem etc.
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Re: Possible psilocybe fimetaria in England [Re: manOwar]
#26955457 - 09/26/20 02:28 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anglerfish said:
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Maxshroom said: Can't think what else it could be, any suggestions?
Take a needle and check if there is a gelatinous string along the gill edges. In that case it is Psilocybe liniformans.
But yeah, otherwise I think you're most likely right on P. fimetaria.
Very cool find. I still haven't found these here in Norway, although they apparently have been found here. Rare shit. Mind you, it would be nice if you actually tried to get a DNA sequence of these to confirm which species.
Now that is very interesting- when I pulled the stem from the cap to take the spore print I noticed gelatinous strings strip from the gill edges pull out to the edge of the cap, the only issue here is that I don't think (p. Liniformans) its a species that you find over here in England?
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manOwar said: I was going to say I think the one that is bruising is probably a different species, but I actually think I see faint bluing on one of the other stems.
You should definitely make prints and dry the specimens and make sure that they find their way under a scope (better yet several) and get them sequenced.
I don’t know if any truly confirmed P. fimetaria finds exist, and don’t believe they have ever been sequenced. I would love for them to be a real deal species but haven’t seen any real evidence for them existing.
One thing is certain, they are a potentially active species of dubious identity, and that is about as exciting as things get in my world! And why they should absolutely be studied and not eaten, unless they are shown to be a well known species that just presented a bit funny.
I thought it was a very interesting find, the way it grows on the dung itself gives me a hint that it really isn't a p.semilanceata but something else. The spore print is on at the moment, anyone who is able to do the sequencing is more than welcome to prints. Going to go and hopefully find more on Sunday 🍄
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Re: Possible psilocybe fimetaria in England [Re: Maxshroom] 1
#26955715 - 09/26/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Very nice find! 
I would have expected horse dung but still think you are correct about P. fimetaria!
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Re: Possible psilocybe fimetaria in England [Re: Maxshroom]
#26955719 - 09/26/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cool mushrooms
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Re: Possible psilocybe fimetaria in England [Re: Shroomhunts]
#26955825 - 09/26/20 09:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Very cool finds!
Edited by velho (09/28/20 09:56 AM)
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Re: Possible psilocybe fimetaria in England [Re: knarkkorven]
#26956955 - 09/27/20 02:19 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah could well have been horse; was found in an area which is predominantly cattle so thought it would be from them (haven't seen a pony in the area in the past few years there).
They're an interesting mushroom and definitely hope to find more, by the looks of things they fruit prolifically so maybe a consideration for growing. Spore prints done, agar and a microscope next!
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Re: Possible psilocybe fimetaria in England [Re: Maxshroom]
#26957577 - 09/27/20 03:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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And if you find more, please take photos before you rip them up and bring them home. Good photos of this species is pretty rare.
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Re: Possible psilocybe fimetaria in England [Re: knarkkorven]
#26958501 - 09/28/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Noted; you have got to appreciate the 'OH WOW LOOK AT THAT...IT CANT BE' haste lol. Definitely seen the lack of photos though.
Rain forecast for midweek, will be out on the weekend!
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Re: Possible psilocybe fimetaria in England [Re: Maxshroom]
#26958512 - 09/28/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Maxshroom said: Now that is very interesting- when I pulled the stem from the cap to take the spore print I noticed gelatinous strings strip from the gill edges pull out to the edge of the cap, the only issue here is that I don't think (p. Liniformans) its a species that you find over here in England?
That characteristic is exclusive to P. liniformans, so I think this is settled - you have found Psilocybe liniformans. 
You should keep the ones you found and if possible deposit them in a local or regional herbarium, and report the find.
If you can, you should also return to the area you found them, and check for more, and of course take craploads of good in situ shots, as well as trying to take a picture of the gill edge strings - for the sake of evidence.
Very cool find!
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