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1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill
    #26954510 - 09/25/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I woke up this morning and saw this post by Elijah Schafer showing photos that were allegedly of 1000+ ballots found in a Dumpster at a local landfill

https://mobile.twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1309400333425180673

He said he wasn't sure if the photos were of real ballots or actually from the landfill in question so I decided to drive down and find out. This is what happened :smile:



The big questions now are

1. Is throwing ballots into dumpsters standard procedure for the sonoma registrar

2. If not why did these end up there.

if it is standard procedure hopefully this leads to more secure policy change. :O
If / When I hear back from Wendy Ill post an Update right away!

Please Vote in Person!! :heart:


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: bio_alchemist]
    #26954570 - 09/25/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting work!  :thumbup:

Count me in as someone who is suspicious about our current voting system; I think we'll figure out a way to hand this election to Biden regardless of the outcome.

However, in this particular instance, I'm not sure I see the concern if these are old 2018 ballots being disposed of?


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: bio_alchemist] * 1
    #26954572 - 09/25/20 02:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Lol how stupid do you have to be to believe this? California isn’t sending out ballots until October 5th

Obviously these are envelopes from a previous election. Do envelopes magically disappear when discarded or do they have to be thrown away?

I’m so tired of this bullshit propaganda


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: koods] * 1
    #26954577 - 09/25/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I don’t see any ballots in these pictures. I see envelopes


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: koods]
    #26954584 - 09/25/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Enough of an IQ to read the title of this thread and video, or at least hear what the landfill manager said :wink:

also Note that all of the ballots are completely sealed so there is no way that these were ever counted :O

Im about to ask my boss permission to leave work so I can show up at the registrar office in person.
I highly doubt Wendy will be calling me back anytime soon.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: bio_alchemist]
    #26954616 - 09/25/20 02:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Note that all of the ballots are completely sealed so there is no way that these were ever counted :O



Ah, now I see your concern.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26954661 - 09/25/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

How the fuck does he know they are sealed. They look like empty envelopes to me. If there were ballots inside these envelopes don’t you think we would be shown evidence of this? Instead we see a pile of envelopes with no proof they are sealed and have ballots inside. Would be such an easy thing to show and the fact that we aren’t shown it should make anyone skeptical of what they are looking at


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: koods]
    #26954681 - 09/25/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If you paid any attention at all, you'd see my very first post was one of skepticism, and I don't disagree with your last point at all.  :wtf:


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #26954690 - 09/25/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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bio_alchemist said:
Note that all of the ballots are completely sealed so there is no way that these were ever counted :O



Ah, now I see your concern.




So why isn’t your reply to Bio “source or make believe?”


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: koods]
    #26954725 - 09/25/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Because he doesn't constantly make believe, and I assumed he was correct.  Nonetheless, as I said in my last post, " I don't disagree with your last point at all" and we should find out if these contained completed ballots.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #26954738 - 09/25/20 04:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You assumed he was correct :lol:


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26955266 - 09/25/20 11:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I think we'll figure out a way to hand this election to Biden regardless of the outcome.






:smirk: you were able to throw that in there huh? The real take away from this thread


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: imachavel]
    #26955294 - 09/25/20 11:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

They're already prepping me for it.  As a liberal, I'm getting liberal emails all the time telling me that Trump is going to win on election day, but that I need to not allow it, as late mail in votes will make Biden the winner.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26955322 - 09/26/20 12:19 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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They're already prepping me for it.  As a liberal, I'm getting liberal emails all the time telling me that Trump is going to win on election day, but that I need to not allow it, as late mail in votes will make Biden the winner.




Sure


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: bio_alchemist]
    #26955404 - 09/26/20 01:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I still think Trump is going to somehow be president again, and I'm not for him by any means.

I agree the voting method is extremely sketchy I'm very skeptical of the system.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: koods]
    #26955416 - 09/26/20 01:42 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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They're already prepping me for it.  As a liberal, I'm getting liberal emails all the time telling me that Trump is going to win on election day, but that I need to not allow it, as late mail in votes will make Biden the winner.




Sure



What do you mean "Sure"?  Do you not believe it?  It's all over the news:

Dem group warns of apparent Trump Election Day landslide


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26955468 - 09/26/20 02:43 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Based on the last couple weeks, I'm beginning to doubt that you are a liberal. Or a leftist, for that matter.

EDIT: Have doubted. Not beginning.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Kryptos]
    #26955472 - 09/26/20 02:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

He’s a very bitter Bernie supporter with an authoritarian personality type


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: koods]
    #26955509 - 09/26/20 03:21 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Stop posting fake news about Trump, and I'll go back to sounding more liberal again.

The lies you tell are out of control.  Just search for "source or make believe" from me to you and see how many times you've provided a source.  Almost zero.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26955512 - 09/26/20 03:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Lol you are hardly the arbiter of truth.

Your political ideology is based on how mean I am to trump? That’s pathetic.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: koods]
    #26955517 - 09/26/20 03:30 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Your political ideology is based on how mean I am to trump? That’s pathetic.



No, my political ideology has nothing to do with how mean people are to Trump.

I just don't like when people post any fake news.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26955519 - 09/26/20 03:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

A search of posts in which you responded with "source or make believe" has a distinctly liberal bias, I must say.

This thread is exhibit A.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Kryptos]
    #26955529 - 09/26/20 03:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I never hear him call out trump lies


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: bio_alchemist]
    #26955666 - 09/26/20 07:16 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I assumed he was correct.




Im sorry man I stated my opinion as fact. I try really hard not to do that and correct myself if I do. I was at work for 13 hours yesterday and didn't have a lot of time to participate in this thread.

Quote:

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also Note that all of the ballots are completely sealed so there is no way that these were ever counted 




I had zoomed in and looked closely at the now deleted by twitter photos of the  envelopes and they are very clearly sealed on top. you can see the flaps that are signed and still cleanly firmly glued down. However last night some one sent me the most convincing argument that these were slit open on the bottom of the envelopes.

https://m.imgur.com/Ek1SS3s

also I reuploaded the high quality image that twitter deleted for you guys to see.



On top of that a local newspaper posted an article claiming they were empty envelopes that I criticized for only speaking to the voter registrar and not any of the people that handled the envelopes that I did. I did not have the foresight to ask them if the envelopes were sealed because at the time I did not realized that would be a point of contest. We spoke about ballots not envelopes. Also the son of the man who found the envelopes told the gateway pundit  that they were unopened but that could be for the same reason I was so sure they were sealed. because they may be cleanly slit at the bottom but the tops did appear to be still sealed tight.

The good news is that this did lead to Policy change and the registrar will no longer be leaving election material in dumpsters :cheers:

Here is the local article on it from the press Democrat
https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/sonoma-county-elections-material-from-2018-found-in-dumpster-not-ballots/?sba=AAS


Dont let em get you down Falcon The whole Believe and agree with everything we think and say or you are the enemy mentality is nutty and not worth the brain cells.  Anyone who thinks critically for themselves and aims for the the truth will end up in a good spot
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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: bio_alchemist] * 1
    #26955671 - 09/26/20 07:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I appreciate that you looked at this with skepticism


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Kryptos]
    #26956321 - 09/26/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Kryptos said:
A search of posts in which you responded with "source or make believe" has a distinctly liberal bias, I must say.

This thread is exhibit A.



So what you're saying is liberals (or at least koods) get caught make believing more often.

Exhibit A.1


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: bio_alchemist]
    #26956338 - 09/26/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I appreciate that you looked at this with skepticism



Agreed.  Again, I was the first in this thread to show skepticism, and I think it's great bio_alchemist looked into it and that it led to a policy change.  :toast:


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26958035 - 09/27/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Kryptos said:
A search of posts in which you responded with "source or make believe" has a distinctly liberal bias, I must say.

This thread is exhibit A.



So what you're saying is liberals (or at least koods) get caught make believing more often.

Exhibit A.1




Or, just as plausibly, you're bullshitting again when you say you're liberal, and are in reality, quite conservative. Or in this case, a MAGA hat.

The technical term for the rhetorical fallacy you are currently employing at this moment is "affirming the consequent".


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: bio_alchemist]
    #26958077 - 09/27/20 10:21 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

It's pretty clear that some of them are open at the bottom.  That's the way the machines open envelopes.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Enlil]
    #26958108 - 09/27/20 10:43 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, that's what bio_alchemist said.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: bio_alchemist]
    #26964823 - 10/01/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Mail in ypur ballot if you want it not counted.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: meltdowner]
    #26964891 - 10/01/20 10:10 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I’m taking my ballot to a drop box


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: koods] * 1
    #26964898 - 10/01/20 10:13 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I’m taking my ballot to a drop box



That's what I'm doing.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26964903 - 10/01/20 10:15 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'm mailing that shit in on the day I get it.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26970383 - 10/05/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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As a liberal, I'm getting liberal emails all the time telling me that Trump is going to win on election day, but that I need to not allow it, as late mail in votes will make Biden the winner.



Sure



What do you mean "Sure"?  Do you not believe it?  It's all over the news



Hillary is even saying Trump will win "on election day".  Watch the video in this Tweet (I don't know how to embed a Tweet in the shroomery):

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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26970427 - 10/05/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

There is no such thing as "winning on election day". Just off the top of my head, they had no idea who won the next morning in 1968 and 2000. This not a unique situation.

Personally, I doubt it's going to happen. Biden's polling lead has gotten ridiculously large.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26970577 - 10/05/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I don't disagree.

I was just responding to koods' sarcastic "sure" post.  It sounded like he didn't believe that many Democrats thought they would be behind on election day.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26971045 - 10/05/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Biden's polling lead has gotten ridiculously large.




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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: yeah]
    #26971686 - 10/06/20 07:57 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I received my mail in ballot yesterday. Know who else did? My deceased grandmother.


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    #26971695 - 10/06/20 08:05 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Biden's polling lead has gotten ridiculously large.




:mindblown:




16 percent and ever expanding, like the universe.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #26971699 - 10/06/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Enlil]
    #26971711 - 10/06/20 08:26 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

How do you know that. Dead might score double. Please help me understand.


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    #26971719 - 10/06/20 08:33 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Social Security keeps records of when people die.  Ballots are cross-referenced with social security before they are counted.  Not that it even matters in your state.  NJ's electoral votes are going to Biden no matter what.


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    #26971735 - 10/06/20 08:47 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, I am aware this is the official narrative.

Do you have unfaltering faith in your government, or are you at all suspicious of a first of its kind election, already showing potential for exploitation.


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    #26971743 - 10/06/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I reject your absurd claim that this is a first of a kind election.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26971759 - 10/06/20 09:09 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

While states such as WA and OR have used mail-in ballots historically, this will be the first election where more voters (blue) will be mailing in their vote verses (red) in person polling.

This election marks the shift in how this country plans to transition going forward. It's really not absurd, quite the contrary.. How do you not see this.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #26971763 - 10/06/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Who is going to vote by mail/in person isn't something that the government sets up.  People will make their individual choices.  Mail in voting has been around a long, long time. 

What, exactly, is your concern about it?


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26971786 - 10/06/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Trump telling people not to let covid rule their life, to physically go to the polls and watch for scandal. Republicans are notably less likely to take the pandemic with respect, instead branding it hysteria.

On the other hand, Democrats notoriously support shut downs and erring on side of caution.

Never said the government is puppeteering the election, but covid is.. Who is yanking the strings when it comes to covid?
As I said last night, this virus is no longer about states of health, but politics.

Even if all of this swings the vote favorably, it still leaves me feeling quite insecure about the validity and ABILITY for the gov to not fuck it up.
There is even more room for corruption.

This country's statistics vary depending on what side of the fence you are on. So why would the election be any different.


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    #26971794 - 10/06/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I don't see anything notorious about that.


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    #26971813 - 10/06/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Then I'm sorry, but you are blind.

Ya' know what I was told when I called the city clerk this morning?
"Thank you for updating our records. This is the first election since your grandmother passed away, and it's simply a clerical issue."


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    #26971828 - 10/06/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Substantial voting fraud is a myth. Voter suppression is very real.


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    #26971833 - 10/06/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'm blind for not seeing shutdowns as notorious?


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Enlil]
    #26971847 - 10/06/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

For not seeing that Democrats typically favor shut downs to openings, masks to bare face, and in general, respect the virus more than Republicans.

I do not speak in absolutes, but it's an undeniable trend.

Brian, how do you feel assured? I'm requesting anything to put my mind at ease here.
Suppose I got a newb when I called, I made that call for relief, but am even more concerned, now.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Enlil]
    #26971848 - 10/06/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I reject your absurd claim that this is a first of a kind election.



It's the first time New Jersey is trying unsolicited mail in ballots.  Not saying that will cause a problem, just pointing out that this IS a first of kind election there.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26972089 - 10/06/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Registering to vote is soliciting a ballot.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Enlil]
    #26972104 - 10/06/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, it's soliciting "a ballot".  No it's not specifically soliciting a mail-in ballot.

I'm not opposed to sending out mail-in ballots for everyone because of coronavirus, but mail-in ballots weren't specifically requested by all the voters.

Your semantics games are... silly.


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    #26972111 - 10/06/20 12:37 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Walk in ballots weren't either. You're the one playing semantics.


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    #26972124 - 10/06/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

This is a silly game.  :shake:


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26972133 - 10/06/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yup. You make a distinction without a difference. Any little word game you can play to legitimize trumps stupidity. It's so predictable at this point.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Enlil]
    #26972197 - 10/06/20 01:25 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Trump is a horrible president.  I'm getting tired of you lying about me over and over again to justify other people's make believe.

Just because I correct people about Trump doesn't mean I'm trying to "legitimize trumps stupidity".

I'm still waiting for you to back up your statement that I "go out of your way to make believe shit about them.  Assad, Putin, Trump."

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    #26972261 - 10/06/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Nah. It's been proven time and again.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26972284 - 10/06/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I reject your absurd claim that this is a first of a kind election.



It's the first time New Jersey is trying unsolicited mail in ballots.  Not saying that will cause a problem, just pointing out that this IS a first of kind election there.




Only registered voters are getting them. They aren’t unsolicited.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Enlil]
    #26972342 - 10/06/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I know that.  My point is that this IS a first of a kind for New Jersey.


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    #26972345 - 10/06/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Every election is a first of its kind if you're going to play semantic games.


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    #26972364 - 10/06/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

When I said "this IS a first of a kind for New Jersey", I think it was clear that by "this" I meant sending mail-in ballots to all registered voters.


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    #26972368 - 10/06/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I got my ballot today. Gonna drop off at the local drop box after dinner.


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    #26972372 - 10/06/20 03:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Every election has firsts. Your argument is absurd


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    #26972382 - 10/06/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Every election has firsts.



Obviously.

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    #26972388 - 10/06/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

The entire PD has become tired and boring with the constant back and forth about make believe and semantics arguments.  Pretty much just a whine fest with the ultimate goal being to prove who is right and who meant what when stating xyz as opposed to actually discussing politics.  IDK, maybe it’s always been thus.  :shrug:

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    #26972400 - 10/06/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Because it's an inconsequential detail. The only reason you think it's important is because trump says it's important,  and you'll defend anything trump says.


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    #26972561 - 10/06/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

No, I'm not defending what Trump says.  I was defending birdeatingspider's point:

birdeatingspider said:  Do you have unfaltering faith in your government, or are you at all suspicious of a first of its kind election, already showing potential for exploitation.
Enlil said:  I reject your absurd claim that this is a first of a kind election.
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:  It's the first time New Jersey is trying unsolicited mail in ballots.  Not saying that will cause a problem, just pointing out that this IS a first of kind election there.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Enlil]
    #26972582 - 10/06/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I see the answer is "unfaltering faith in your government".  Fair enough.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26972589 - 10/06/20 05:20 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

False dichotomy/strawman. Straight out of the Russian troll farm playbook.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Enlil]
    #26972601 - 10/06/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Ooh, "straight out of the Russian troll farm playbook".  Good one!

I think Enlil is having a melt down.  He's gone from a man of logic to a man of insults.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26972610 - 10/06/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I am insulting your argument.  Not you.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Enlil]
    #26972648 - 10/06/20 05:51 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Ok.  I guess I'm not as familiar with the Russian Troll Farm playbook as you seem to be.

He said it was "a first of its kind election"
I said "It's the first time New Jersey is trying unsolicited mail in ballots.  Not saying that will cause a problem, just pointing out that this IS a first of kind election there"
You then said "Every election has firsts. Your argument is absurd"

I still don't get it, but whatever.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26972662 - 10/06/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Every election has some element that is unique and "first of its kind."  Only if it is significantly different from other elections can it be fairly called "first of its kind election."  That ballots were mailed out instead of handed out is an insignificant detail.

And yes...I am familiar with the troll farm tactics.  It's fascinating stuff.  Russian's have been doing it for awhile, so they have really honed the craft.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Enlil]
    #26972669 - 10/06/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Every election has some element that is unique and "first of its kind."  Only if it is significantly different from other elections can it be fairly called "first of its kind election."  That ballots were mailed out instead of handed out is an insignificant detail.



Probably.

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And yes...I am familiar with the troll farm tactics.  It's fascinating stuff.  Russian's have been doing it for awhile, so they have really honed the craft.



You mean putting out click bait ads?


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26972671 - 10/06/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

No.  There is a whole lot more to it than that.  They would make fake organizations and media companies to create fake stories that they could then link to using fake personas on social media.  They'd argue both sides of the issue, too.  Some of it was quite brilliant.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Enlil]
    #26972692 - 10/06/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

It's too bad the DOJ dismissed the charges against the troll farm.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26972709 - 10/06/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, I agree.  It would have been interesting.  I see why they did it, of course, but I would have enjoyed reading that trial transcript nonetheless.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26972715 - 10/06/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Found an article on the subject of mail ballots. Learned a thing or two, thought I'd share.

There will be twice as many votes by mail this election.

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the partisan battles to come will play out primarily in the states and the courts. Early signs indicate that this struggle will unfold along three broad fronts.

The first front is about whether states should expand access to mail ballots at all. In states that require a justification for voting absentee, Democrats could press to allow no-excuse access to mail ballots. And in states that already permit no-excuse absentee voting, reform advocates like Weiser expect many officials to advocate for mailing all voters a ballot, eliminating the intermediate step of requiring voters to request one.




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..The second front of conflict will be over the extensive rules surrounding the vote-by-mail process, even in the states with no-excuse absentee voting..



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..Finally, the third front of conflict that experts foresee is not ideological but logistical: whether states have enough money and staff to handle increased demand..




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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #26972967 - 10/06/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I received my mail in ballot yesterday. Know who else did? My deceased grandmother.




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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Enlil]
    #26972973 - 10/06/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Every election has some element that is unique and "first of its kind."  Only if it is significantly different from other elections can it be fairly called "first of its kind election."  That ballots were mailed out instead of handed out is an insignificant detail.

And yes...I am familiar with the troll farm tactics.  It's fascinating stuff.  Russian's have been doing it for awhile, so they have really honed the craft.




If you truly believe this then it explains a lot.  Trolling has been an American pastime for as long as I can remember.

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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: meltdowner]
    #26972981 - 10/06/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

How is any of that relevant?  Pizza is French, then the Italians changed it.  Now, it's American food.  Who cares if Americans troll too?


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: birdeatingspider] * 1
    #26973000 - 10/06/20 10:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Found an article on the subject of mail ballots. Learned a thing or two, thought I'd share.

There will be twice as many votes by mail this election.

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the partisan battles to come will play out primarily in the states and the courts. Early signs indicate that this struggle will unfold along three broad fronts.

The first front is about whether states should expand access to mail ballots at all. In states that require a justification for voting absentee, Democrats could press to allow no-excuse access to mail ballots. And in states that already permit no-excuse absentee voting, reform advocates like Weiser expect many officials to advocate for mailing all voters a ballot, eliminating the intermediate step of requiring voters to request one.




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..The second front of conflict will be over the extensive rules surrounding the vote-by-mail process, even in the states with no-excuse absentee voting..



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..Finally, the third front of conflict that experts foresee is not ideological but logistical: whether states have enough money and staff to handle increased demand..







Interesting points. Let's go in order.

Zeroth off, because this isn't partisan, mail in voting has historically been pretty well balanced between democrats and republicans. For every democrat with a job, some republican wasting away in a nursing home casts a mail in vote. Of course, in modern times, where covid is not a medical but a political issue, and we're just ignoring soldiers overseas because who gives a fuck about them anyway, mail in voting has become partisan.

First off, this point is designed to eliminate one type of vote but not the other. Some dude like me, who has to go to work and shit (I'm taking a vacation day if I need to, but most people can't), some asshole on life support also needs to cast a vote. For some reason the asshole on life support that hasn't been fully conscious since Bush 2 was in office should be allowed to vote no problem, but I should be forced to take a vacation day.

The second point is substantially similar.

The third point is expressly ideological. There is currently one party that controls the senate, the presidency, and the supreme court, giving them control of 83% of the US government. For some reason, that party keeps blocking funding for elections. I wonder why.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Enlil]
    #26976270 - 10/08/20 10:57 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm mailing that shit in on the day I get it.



Im voting in person like a man.  Mail in ballots because youre afraid of a flu is ridiculously weak move.

Mail in ballots shouldnt be allowed, theyre going to be tampered with.


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    #26976321 - 10/09/20 12:07 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You're a weak person for not being able to think for yourself, not hang on every fox news anchors every word and vote however the fuck is safe and legal but in your eyes fuck your family,community and friends health as long as you feel like a big man going into a little office to touch a covid poll to do the same thing I did days ago by mail :derp:

Also I did it by mail because I take care of people that are old and have many many underlying medical issues from surviving cancer and chemical damage from the military in my dad after his service. I also have a comprised immune system so it's not weak to have a bad immune system it's weak to denigrate people that do.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26976568 - 10/09/20 07:28 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

A real man would mail in his ballot so that the people who have to vote in person can do so without waiting in excessive lines.


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    #26976651 - 10/09/20 08:41 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: Mycolorado]
    #26976733 - 10/09/20 09:34 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Meltdown might be this forum’s biggest troll.  Top 5 for sure.

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    #26977148 - 10/09/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I don't get the point of trolling. I tried intentionally arguing in bad faith once, and it was not fun and overall generally unpleasant.


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Re: 1000+ Vote by mail Ballots from 2018 found in a dumpster at my local landfill [Re: koods]
    #27020572 - 11/04/20 12:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm getting liberal emails all the time telling me that Trump is going to win on election day, but that I need to not allow it, as late mail in votes will make Biden the winner.



Sure



What do you mean "Sure"?  Do you not believe it?  It's all over the news:

Dem group warns of apparent Trump Election Day landslide



Part 1 of my warning has just about come true.  Are we now going to see the resistance I was asked to participate in?  Count me out.


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