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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: verum subsequentis] * 1
    #26956632 - 09/26/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I've heard that.

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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: Profbri] * 1
    #26956634 - 09/26/20 07:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It can be used for that but proper grain prep renders it non essential at best


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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: Mycolorado]
    #26956643 - 09/26/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah, it’s definitely from Stamets.  He mentions adding it to spawn for button mushrooms and that’s it’s optional for everything else.  He also used it in straw sub that has chicken shit in it to reduce its greasiness, iirc.  It’s been 20 years since I looked the the mushroom cultivator, but if anyone feels like checking, they can do so here.




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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: Profbri]
    #26956648 - 09/26/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

A wise mycologist once said, "dude, just put the fucking coir in the bucket"


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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: Profbri]
    #26956775 - 09/26/20 09:51 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I thought gypsum was used w grain to keep it from sticking together?





That's what they used to say. But

1. Doesn't the verm do that?

2. Does it matter if if it sticks? mycelium can still get through it. Maybe even faster if it's stuck together because there are more contact points?


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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: nektar61] * 2
    #26956783 - 09/26/20 09:58 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

no and no


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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: Vinci]
    #26956841 - 09/26/20 11:13 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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A wise mycologist once said, "dude, just put the fucking coir in the bucket"





IT PUTS THE COIR IN THE BUCKET.

Ok, I'm picturing an odd sequel to that movie...


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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26956842 - 09/26/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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no and no




What in particular do you recommend in grain prep to prevent clumping.

I've only used brown rice, and it does clump.

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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: nektar61]
    #26956846 - 09/26/20 11:20 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quit using rice.
Don't over cook.
Dry properly.


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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26956896 - 09/27/20 12:11 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Quit using rice.
Don't over cook.
Dry properly.





Do you use oats?

Do you even cook? I thought the idea is to just PC for an hour to kill germs and endospores, but not cook.

Do you have a link for the tek you use, whether you wrote it or not?

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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: nektar61]
    #26956919 - 09/27/20 12:58 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I am not sure if that comment was productive by any means, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. By marginalizing my comments and experiences, you arent being conducive to a constructive discussion. I believe this forum is intended for that and correct me if i am wrong? My way or the highway attitudes do not get you anywhere my friend and i mean this respectfully. There is no need to attempt to offend someone if they are trying to further a discussion and actually help.

Anyway, gypsum is NOT useless and outdated. It is merely a decision for the cultivator if the benefits are worth their time and resources. It certainly does NOT detract in any way. Throwing in some powder in a sub while you mix it doesnt seem like a big deal everyone is making it out to be. Try it on some and delete in on others and see if you like it for yourself :smile:





You replied to me with this post. I have no idea what I said to tick you off but I didn't say anything disparaging to you.

Or were you replying to Offlineverum subsequentis but accidentally tagged me?

I don't think he was being mean, just straightforward. 9 people with years of experience replied on here that gypsum is a waste, including some trusted cultivators. I put too much on my first grow and almost killed it. And by too much I mean 1.5x recommended amount.

I think anyone at this date saying gypsum IS good and useful for cubes should do the double blind tests and post pix if they feel that strongly about it.

Confused I am with your response.




My comment was directed to verum. I think his comment "see us in a few years" subsequent to my post isnt really constructive and slightly condescending.

Honestly I am not a sensitive person and it's truly indifferent to me. I should have just said nothing lol, but this thread was for input.

As i previously mentioned, i am not some sort of advocate for it but i do find it useful and it certainly didn't detract from anything.

Anyway try it out and see for yourself (or dont lol). That's truly the best way to know :smile:


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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: nektar61] * 1
    #26956996 - 09/27/20 03:51 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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verum subsequentis said:
Quit using rice.
Don't over cook.
Dry properly.





Do you use oats?

Do you even cook? I thought the idea is to just PC for an hour to kill germs and endospores, but not cook.

Do you have a link for the tek you use, whether you wrote it or not?

Thank you.



BOD's Easy AF OAT prep tek.
BOD's Easy AF how to use your pressure cooker for mycology TEK
You can replace oats by any other grain you have locally available, wheat, millet, rye, milo, etc all work. But don't use rice, it will make a sticky block that's impossible to shake.


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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: sporecap] * 1
    #26957036 - 09/27/20 04:59 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Oats sucks super myco balls. Rye or wheaf if you can get it. I'll use bird food before i use oats


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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: LotKid]
    #26957531 - 09/27/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Oats sucks super myco balls. Rye or wheaf if you can get it. I'll use bird food before i use oats





lol. Why don't you like oats?

I took your advice and got some rye berries at a  health food store.

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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: nektar61] * 1
    #26957578 - 09/27/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I really should experiment with different grains. I thought oats were pretty standard around here, but I've seen a lot of shade being thrown at them lately. Oats always work great for me, but my local feed store has a lot of cheap options.

Anyone ever use Azure? They have 50lb bags of milo for $23.09 and delivery is free if you're willing to pick it up at a feed store.


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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: The Fresh Prints]
    #26957750 - 09/27/20 05:02 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Grain price flucuates like the stock market or crypto. I ususally pay anywhere from $14-18 per bushel (56lb) of rye.

I dont like oats because of the hulls.


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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: LotKid] * 1
    #26958022 - 09/27/20 09:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I use wheat. Put in water, turn on heat, cook until internally hydrated dump on screen to dry before many start to pop. I don't use a tek. You just learn to see what's what. Fully hydrate without over cooking "popping too many grains", strain till grain is dry, load jars or bags and PC.


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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: verum subsequentis] * 1
    #26958042 - 09/27/20 09:48 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I haven't used gypsum in 2 years but if I did I'd put it in the grain not the sub to make it easier to break up. That being said if you have clean spawn it should break up very easily.

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I use wheat. Put in water, turn on heat, cook until internally hydrated dump on screen to dry before many start to pop. I don't use a tek. You just learn to see what's what. Fully hydrate without over cooking "popping too many grains", strain till grain is dry, load jars or bags and PC.



I'd love to try wheat but I cant get it locally and it stupid expensive online.

I agree with verum though. Get a feel for your grain and it'll become 2nd nature. I rock hundreds of #'s of oats and now its nearly impossible to fuck up once you get shit dailed in.


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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: LotKid]
    #26958158 - 09/27/20 11:30 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Grain price flucuates like the stock market or crypto. I ususally pay anywhere from $14-18 per bushel (56lb) of rye.

I dont like oats because of the hulls.




Thank you.

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Re: Gypsum or not in sub? [Re: nektar61] * 1
    #26958243 - 09/28/20 02:27 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You dont need it.


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