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Re: Good Deeds [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26951604 - 09/23/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Same with drug use, wine in laughingdog's case.  We should be allowed free reign with the catch that we must commit to regular, maintenance in terms of adapting our ability to handle such freedoms more gracefully.  :shakefist:

Although, yes, wine is already free reign.  But all drugs in general or at least a far greater amount of them decided by I don't know what metric.


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Re: Good Deeds [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26952283 - 09/24/20 07:30 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I got a $350.00 ticket 20 years ago when I owned a used Cadillac Seville (the manual on page 1 assured adequate acceleration at any speed). I was only going warp 1 on a country highway.

damn cops, "yes sir, no, sir"...


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Re: Good Deeds [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #26952604 - 09/24/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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yes, exactly.

feeling a desire to help another human is not the same thing as feeling that you ought to help - whether you want to or not.  it is dangerous to take an impulse of ones own nature, and set it as a thing to be followed at all costs.




sounds like basic taoism

on the other hand, a judge should be impartial, and not just favor those she likes

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Re: Good Deeds [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26952632 - 09/24/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Perhaps the state produces the least amount of force at any given time? Or is that an unreasonable assumption?




I don't think speed limits should be enforceable.  "35" ought to be a suggestion based on a subjective analysis of what a safe speed would be on a given stretch of road.  This approach is attractive on many other levels.

It sacrifices safety for greater liberation and freedom.  Yet some categories would be more difficult to let freedom prosper.  Like legit violence.  Or grand theft.  Or severe social neglect.  Imo the suffering would have to get extreme and consistent in order for force to become warranted.  But fucking speed limits?  I got picked up for going 32 in a 25 trap a few months ago.  I said "Yes sir", "No sir" with complete submission.




This could be covered in the idea of blanket law. Some people cause legit violence driving at whatever speed they like. If having a speed limit prevents violence then we can compare violence caused vs violence saved.

BTW, I will address most people as sir and maam, even the young at times. Being polite isn't submissive, though certainly there's an aspect of submission in accepting the preliminary judgement of an officer. It's also smart. I've had police thank me numerous times for being respectful.


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Re: Good Deeds [Re: Rahz]
    #26952706 - 09/24/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

yup
"yes sir" & "no sir"
hands on the wheel
wallet on the dash board

respect goes around
comes around


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Re: Good Deeds [Re: Rahz]
    #26952918 - 09/24/20 02:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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This could be covered in the idea of blanket law. Some people cause legit violence driving at whatever speed they like. If having a speed limit prevents violence then we can compare violence caused vs violence saved.

BTW, I will address most people as sir and maam, even the young at times. Being polite isn't submissive, though certainly there's an aspect of submission in accepting the preliminary judgement of an officer. It's also smart. I've had police thank me numerous times for being respectful.





Yes I don't want to come across as saying that politeness is submissive.  But to go with and accept an officer's judgements about the situation and the process that is to happen pretty much is I'd say.  One could be respectful or an asshole and still submit to the might of The State.  On the other hand, it would be an interesting tactic to be respectfully antagonistic.  Ignore the flashing lights to pull over, wave a friendly hand out the window while driving away at a high speed, say nice things to the officer as he follows you into your house where you barricade and arm yourself with a firearm etc. etc.

https://www.idrivesafely.com/defensive-driving/trending/it-time-american-autobahn

Germany has a more preferable conception of what driving and transportation is about imo.  Take greater safety measures before and then let the safer driver drive how he or she wants after. 


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Re: Good Deeds [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26952935 - 09/24/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes I don't want to come across as saying that politeness is submissive.  ... arm yourself with a firearm etc. etc.




In your statement you go from A to Z in a flash, for no good reason, if you drive like that or live like that -- perhaps the universe will reflect that back, and you will be left wondering, why & how it happened.

I've seen it happen in just seconds, with a person swatting at an insect, and among a group of people they are the one gets stung. Seen it in a people to people interaction.
Is basic wisdom in literature of many cultures, but of course these teachings would not be necessary if everyone was a quick learner.


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Re: Good Deeds [Re: laughingdog]
    #26952972 - 09/24/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes I don't want to come across as saying that politeness is submissive.  ... arm yourself with a firearm etc. etc.




In your statement you go from A to Z in a flash, for no good reason, if you drive like that or live like that -- perhaps the universe will reflect that back, and you will be left wondering, why & how it happened.

I've seen it happen in just seconds, with a person swatting at an insect, and among a group of people they are the one gets stung. Seen it in a people to people interaction.
Is basic wisdom in literature of many cultures, but of course these teachings would not be necessary if everyone was a quick learner.





So you believe in Karma?


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Re: Good Deeds [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26953048 - 09/24/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

don't know what you take Karma to mean

sometimes refers to cause & effect

sometimes refers to notions of morality

sometimes refers to past lives,

etc etc

In the loose sense that if you smile at folks they tend to smile back, where as if you insult them things tend to go worse ... sure
as regards past lives, they are not a belief I feel I need.

Then there is the matter of what is called 'self fulfilling prophecies', and psychosomatic diseases.

So what do you mean by it? And where do you see impartial cause and effect at work in your life, or find yourself free of it?


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Re: Good Deeds [Re: laughingdog]
    #26953136 - 09/24/20 05:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If we are talking about people that is one thing.  If I smile repetitively then I can expect to on average receive a smile however inauthentic in return.  I guess what I mean by Karma is that potential force that steers natural processes in a corresponding way.  So no determinism 100%.  For example, can a rock sitting on top of a large cliff where you are driving your car under fall at an inopportune moment?  And does your history of deliberately keying cars as a teenager create this synchronicity of the rock breaking from the cliff and falling onto your car with perfect timing?  Is this just a witty coincidence that you assert or is it something else, is it Karma? 

An there may well be an unconscious actor that tries to align the appropriate synchronicities.  Assuming the unconscious is far more knowledgeable which I take it to be then it could be the case imo.  This wouldn't be asserting anything supernatural but just the view that we are more than we seem to be.


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Re: Good Deeds [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26953328 - 09/24/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

hideous to imagine an unconscious actor stumbling around and allocating justice, brrrr.

worse so to assume this blacked out drunk fuck is responsible for my situation.

No. no unconscious actor here.
I have my personality and that in action is the world I experience.
Another agency pranking around in that is not from in my mind.


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Re: Good Deeds [Re: Yellow Pants] * 1
    #26953429 - 09/24/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Karma seems to be an ancient idea from Hinduism.
It was used to justify the caste system,
or the idea that say someone is poor cause they were bad or greedy in a past life.
Looked at in this way it is just an example of rationalization.

Seems in buddhism it may refer more to simply: cause and effect.
Depending on whether one thinks notions of reincarnation are essential to Buddhism;
people differ on this point.

A more modern term that takes into account some oddities of making predictions, is statistics, which can either distort or produce good and accurate results.

In terms of how humans act, some things are often predicted by others, that the person themselves fails to see. Many tragic stories tell of such events, where a headstrong person fails to listen to good advice, with predictable results. This type of action and reaction is called 'karma' by some.

So it seems there is little evidence that the Universe or St. Peter keeps some kind of moral scorecard, but that indeed some types of patterns do lead to certain types of results. Recidivism among recently released former inmates, being an example.


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Re: Good Deeds [Re: laughingdog]
    #26953855 - 09/25/20 04:53 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

read my post. the translation of Karma is action. it is the action of your personality in the world.


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Re: Good Deeds [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26954176 - 09/25/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

But, but your action in the world is pretty much based on an internal state.  Would you say that your internal states are always 100% aware of all the conditions that factor in to a thought or a feeling etc.? 

Ime I often do not know why I do certain things and it goes without saying that Idk how or why I feel or think in a particular way.  Unconscious agency man.  :goodmorning:


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Re: Good Deeds [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26954180 - 09/25/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

like don't waste your life or the lives of others


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Re: Good Deeds [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26954546 - 09/25/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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But, but your action in the world is pretty much based on an internal state.  Would you say that your internal states are always 100% aware of all the conditions that factor in to a thought or a feeling etc.? 




i tend to use the word "states", for resonant state of mind such as when stoned or alert and awake, because these pervasive states affect the whole mental system.
In this case you are talking about mental contents (internal states is still used in neurophysiology to discuss anything in the brain including localized 'contents', but it is an unfortunate habit to keep that up as it doesn't mean the same thing to any two scientists, and it goes from contents to mood to etiology (injury or disease)).

so what I would say is that you are aware of what you are aware of, because you are interested in following it, however, Fragments of experience penetrate your mind and affect your total context even if you are not paying direct attention, fleshing out the picture and feelings as it were. Like the details on that umbrella, and the pickets of a cute white fence around a garden, 3 or 4 cars rumbling at a stoplight... everything comes together to form the experience before it fades, with only what you are interested in sticking out. Your action is a reaction to the totality of experience, to what you were doing before (momentum), and to whom you are - i.e. according to your personality and your habits.
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Ime I often do not know why I do certain things and it goes without saying that Idk how or why I feel or think in a particular way.  Unconscious agency man.  :goodmorning:



you may not analyze what you are doing, and you may not pay much attention to what you are doing, or even have words to explain what you are doing, but you are not doing it unconsciously unless you are sleep walking.

habits can keep you walking as you think of other things, but you are still conscious, just looking at the outside world through a smaller hole in your mask.


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Re: Good Deeds [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26954618 - 09/25/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Breathing is my good deed.


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Re: Good Deeds [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26954670 - 09/25/20 03:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Good Deeds [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26954800 - 09/25/20 05:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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so what I would say is that you are aware of what you are aware of, because you are interested in following it, however, Fragments of experience penetrate your mind and affect your total context even if you are not paying direct attention, fleshing out the picture and feelings as it were.




Here you seem to be saying that there is an exterior kind of thing to the state of being aware of only certain things.


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Re: Good Deeds [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26955084 - 09/25/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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But, but your action in the world is pretty much based on an internal state.




I think the intent of the internal state ("the heart") will ultimately weigh more in a moral dilemma.

For example, if I create a foundation, it could be out of my desire to avoid paying my fair share of taxes and avoid any form of social responsibility so that I can vainly puff up my ego with non-profit legacy-building. Such a foundation might ultimately end up doing some social good, but my actions in that case were narcissistic. This is overtly a good deed, but it could be done with a heart of evil.

Likewise, I may ask "the rich" to pay my fair share of taxes for me, to avoid any form of social responsibility so that I can vainly puff up my ego with victim-mentality covert narcissism, feeling like I have done my good deed on this earth by demanding that someone else should do the heavy lifting for me. Thus even an overtly good deed can be done for intentions that are bad.

Or, I could work very hard, get rich, and create a foundation to do beautiful things and support a truly fair system of taxation to encourage all to work hard and increase the systemic standard of living for all out of altruism.


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