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Re: Swastika new york refuses to change its name. [Re: AlphaStar] 2
#26953000 - 09/24/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think they just enjoy being contrarian with this tradition. Why not rename it to one of the many other words that mean well-being? It's like using the word "niggardly" to describe a stingy person so that you can tell people that the origins of the word are completely separate from those of the word "nigger". Which is true, but it's still an asshole move.
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Re: Swastika new york refuses to change its name. [Re: psi] 1
#26953019 - 09/24/20 04:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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while i can see where you're coming from with this, you have to remember - america is a country made up of cultures from across the entire world. when you reject other people's cultures like this, make them feel unwelcome, it results in conflict and massive problems down the line, leading to racism, inequality, and well... you can see the kettle boiling as we speak in the black lives matter movements, the way many cops treat minorities different from whites, and the massive difference in standard of living between whites and non-whites.
this is all because america does not welcome it's minorities, does not make them feel welcome and learn to understand their culture while teaching our own. instead we force our own culture down their throats and expect them to bend to our will, demand they learn our language, and don't even offer much of a helping hand. heck, many do the opposite - calling them derogatory names, refusing to give them jobs, or...worse.
if this was a family adoption, child protection services would come knocking at our door along with the cops to arrest us for child abuse. immigrants are like those adopted children - they may be difficult to understand at first, but bonds of love, while difficult to cultivate, are even stronger than bonds of blood, and the most worthwhile bonds you can possess.
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Re: Swastika new york refuses to change its name. [Re: cannabinated] 2
#26953021 - 09/24/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Swastika new york refuses to change its name. [Re: Psion]
#26953027 - 09/24/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is anyone there actually Hindu? Or by other people's cultures do you mean the local culture of the town?
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Re: Swastika new york refuses to change its name. [Re: psi]
#26953053 - 09/24/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think it's more like Emerson and Thoreau, getting into Indian stuff..
This is also just an outsider though.
I think the central points are, this had nothing to do with Nazism, it was named long time ago.
I would say it's a little bowing to the people who co-opted the symbol to try to change the name. It clearly means a lot to them.
It's unfortunate that all this happened, but I think the main thing is, if you change it you're really allowing the people who co-opted it, yeah, Nazism and the whole schebang, to win the day.
It's a sacred, holy symbol in Hinduism. We've seen it primarily associated with other things, but that's because of our distance, geographically, from India.
The bottom line is, they named the town based on a symbol which to them means well-being, etc.
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Re: Swastika new york refuses to change its name. [Re: psi]
#26953054 - 09/24/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is this the kind of town where 10 people live and two of them are brother that fuck each other?
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#26953061 - 09/24/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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it does mention that the hamlets name predates WWII, and that the name has meaning for the residents. whether they're hindu or not doesn't really matter - it's part of the towns culture. i can understand that fully, living here in the upper penninsula of michigan - there's an entire culture dedicated to the UP. you can buy merchandise of all sorts, from necklaces to candy, licence plates to clothing... EVERYTHING you can think of. all of it related to the "yooper" lifestyle.
i think one thing the town could maybe do is use this as an "education" moment - perhaps having a sort of installation or such that helps to show and explain the difference between the swastika of peace and the corrupted symbol the nazis used - a way to both educate people on the history of hinduism and also educate people on the history of WWII as well, as many americans are woefully lacking on information of both. it could serve as not only as a source of information, but if done right, it could serve as a tourist attraction for the town, benefiting the residents.
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Re: Swastika new york refuses to change its name. [Re: Patlal]
#26953073 - 09/24/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Is this the kind of town where 10 people live and two of them are brother that fuck each other?
I wonder how much Swastika NY homes go for on zillow
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Re: Swastika new york refuses to change its name. [Re: Psion] 1
#26953075 - 09/24/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Windsor_Swastikas_hockey_team_Dark_Outfits_1910.jpg
These fuckers over there in Nova don't seem to be able to make up their minds on which side to dress their Swastikas.
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Re: Swastika new york refuses to change its name. [Re: Psion]
#26953082 - 09/24/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Psion said: it does mention that the hamlets name predates WWII, and that the name has meaning for the residents. whether they're hindu or not doesn't really matter - it's part of the towns culture. i can understand that fully, living here in the upper penninsula of michigan - there's an entire culture dedicated to the UP. you can buy merchandise of all sorts, from necklaces to candy, licence plates to clothing... EVERYTHING you can think of. all of it related to the "yooper" lifestyle.
Yoopers!! I know all about Yoopers. Just about all of my Dad's side of the family is in Michigan not far from the Upper Peninsula. I think it would be cool to get a cabin up there someday in the UP.
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Re: Swastika new york refuses to change its name. [Re: Niffla] 2
#26953443 - 09/24/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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LMFAO.
regardless of youre thoughts on Nazi's or whatever, gotta respect a vote to tell PC culture to suck a horse dick
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gotta respect a vote to tell PC culture to suck a horse dick
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Re: Swastika new york refuses to change its name. [Re: AlphaStar]
#26953452 - 09/24/20 08:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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AlphaStar said: I think it's more like Emerson and Thoreau, getting into Indian stuff..
This is also just an outsider though.
I think the central points are, this had nothing to do with Nazism, it was named long time ago.
I would say it's a little bowing to the people who co-opted the symbol to try to change the name. It clearly means a lot to them.
It's unfortunate that all this happened, but I think the main thing is, if you change it you're really allowing the people who co-opted it, yeah, Nazism and the whole schebang, to win the day.
It's a sacred, holy symbol in Hinduism. We've seen it primarily associated with other things, but that's because of our distance, geographically, from India.
The bottom line is, they named the town based on a symbol which to them means well-being, etc.
I agree with you in general, but the whole "its a hindu symbol" thing is a myth.
it is part of hinduism but the historical fact is that the Aryan tribes passed it on to the tribes in the area where hindus now use the symbol. One of the central sites of the early Aryan tribes was in the ukraine, where they attached spiritual significance to the naturally occuring flames at gas vents in the rock. the earliest known depictions of the symbol occur there. far older than any in the hindu regions. It is an ancient Aryan symbol and that context is the context in which the NSDAP chose to use the symbol.
to say it is a "stolen" or "corrupted" hindu symbol is simply not true.
Now Im not going to say that I back Hitler's philosophy, but as a history nerd Im well aware of how they saw the symbol, and it wasnt "corrupted" or a sign of anything involving supremacy etc. They viewed it the same way their ancient Aryan ancestors did. to just put it in the context of " bad people use symbol, this mean symbol bad and corrupt" is lower than elementary.
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regardless of youre thoughts on Nazi's or whatever, gotta respect a vote to tell PC culture to suck a horse dick
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Re: Swastika new york refuses to change its name. [Re: Niffla] 1
#26953463 - 09/24/20 08:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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It’s not uncommon to see swastika patterns displayed albeit in a hidden manner in decor or floor patterning. Though it may take awhile, I d be willing to bet the swastika will out live the current prejudice against it.
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Re: Swastika new york refuses to change its name. [Re: Atreyu] 2
#26953467 - 09/24/20 08:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Its been around for over 10,000 years it ain't going no where no matter how many cry babies there are about it.
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#26953469 - 09/24/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Swastika new york refuses to change its name. [Re: psi]
#26953470 - 09/24/20 08:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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That bike is racist.
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Re: Swastika new york refuses to change its name. [Re: budmanman]
#26953473 - 09/24/20 08:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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But only when it's traveling from right to left.
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Re: Swastika new york refuses to change its name. [Re: psi]
#26953478 - 09/24/20 08:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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budmanman said: That bike is racist.
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psi said: But only when it's traveling from right to left.

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