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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26949785 - 09/22/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Universal mail in voting is a type of mail in voting.  Trump approves mail in voting for anyone who requests it.



Source or make believe?



What, that universal voting is a type of mail in voting, or that trump is fine with mail in voting for people who request it?

Remarks by President Trump in Press Briefing | September 18, 2020
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Q:  Don’t your officials vote by mail, sir?  People in the White House vote by mail.  Are they part of the scam?

THE PRESIDENT:  They do, but that’s different.  That’s called “solicited.”  When you solicit, when you go out — it’s called “absentee” or “solicit.”  When you go out and you request a ballot — you want to say, “I want to vote because I can’t be in Florida or I can’t be someplace.”  You request.  So you’re sending something in, it’s handled professionally, they send it back — it’s a whole thing.  That’s much different than “unsolicited...”




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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: falcon] * 1
    #26950158 - 09/22/20 09:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Ok, got it.  Since they killed people after using them for slave labor, you don't appreciate the term work camps.  Fair enough.





The killed people transporting them to the camps, by forcing them stand without water for days, camps can also be considered post death camps where they unload some of the transports already unable to preform labor, due to death.




This was one of the explicit goals of the Final Solution. According to SS General Reinhard Heydrich:

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“during the course of the Final Solution, the Jews will be deployed under appropriate supervision at a suitable form of labor deployment in the East. In large labor columns, separated by gender, able-bodied Jews will be brought to those regions to build roads, whereby a large number will doubtlessly be lost through natural reduction. Any final remnant that survives will doubtless consist of the elements most capable of resistance. They must be dealt with appropriately, since, representing the fruit of natural selection, they are to be regarded as the core of a new Jewish revival.”




They were literally afraid that their methods of transporting Jews and working them to death would create a forced evolution in favor of a strong Super-Jew who could handle the pressure, and would lead the Jewish rebellion.


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26950250 - 09/22/20 10:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Universal mail in voting is a type of mail in voting.  Trump approves mail in voting for anyone who requests it.



Source or make believe?



What, that universal voting is a type of mail in voting, or that trump is fine with mail in voting for people who request it?

Remarks by President Trump in Press Briefing | September 18, 2020
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Q:  Don’t your officials vote by mail, sir?  People in the White House vote by mail.  Are they part of the scam?

THE PRESIDENT:  They do, but that’s different.  That’s called “solicited.”  When you solicit, when you go out — it’s called “absentee” or “solicit.”  When you go out and you request a ballot — you want to say, “I want to vote because I can’t be in Florida or I can’t be someplace.”  You request.  So you’re sending something in, it’s handled professionally, they send it back — it’s a whole thing.  That’s much different than “unsolicited...”







Show me where trump thinks people who don’t want to vote in person for any reason can mail in a ballot. Trump doesn’t want excuse free mail in voting. Prove me wrong.


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: koods]
    #26950308 - 09/22/20 11:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Remarks by President Trump in Press Briefing | September 18, 2020
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Q:  Don’t your officials vote by mail, sir?  People in the White House vote by mail.  Are they part of the scam?

THE PRESIDENT:  They do, but that’s different.  That’s called “solicited.”  When you solicit, when you go out — it’s called “absentee” or “solicit.”  When you go out and you request a ballot — you want to say, “I want to vote because I can’t be in Florida or I can’t be someplace.”  You request.  So you’re sending something in, it’s handled professionally, they send it back — it’s a whole thing.  That’s much different than “unsolicited...”






Show me where trump thinks people who don’t want to vote in person for any reason can mail in a ballot. Trump doesn’t want excuse free mail in voting. Prove me wrong.



He keeps complaining about unsolicited ballots:
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And the dirtiest fight of all is the issuance of 80 million ballots, unrequested. They’re not requested; they’re just sending 80 million ballots all over the country. Eighty million ballots, non-requested. I call them “unsolicited ballots.”




He himself voted by mail.


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26950382 - 09/23/20 01:35 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

How is sending a ballot to registered voters “unsolicited?”


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26950503 - 09/23/20 05:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm doing my best to figure out what the voting situation is, though many people here can't seem to get past "whatever my side tells me to believe, is what I'm going to believe, I'm not going to look into it".

It turns out Trump DOES support mail in voting for all who request it.  What's new/different this time around is that Democrats want to give everyone a mail in ballot whether they request it or not.  And we know how inaccurate the voter rolls are.

So I believe Trump may have a valid concern.

New Local Election Ordered in N.J. After Mail-In Voter Fraud Charges
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In the days before New Jersey’s third-largest city held municipal elections in May entirely by mail, postal workers became suspicious when they found hundreds of ballots bundled together.

On Wednesday, a New Jersey judge ruled that the election in Paterson, N.J., had been irreversibly tainted and ordered a new vote to be held in November to settle the race for the City Council seat.

Mr. Trump’s campaign cited the Paterson corruption case as a reason not to expand voting by mail. “By ordering universal vote-by-mail, he has created a recipe for disaster”

...more than 3,000 ballots that were thrown out to make the case that mail-in voting makes it too easy to manipulate elections by allowing ineligible voters, including the dead, to vote.

Rick Hasen, an election law professor at the University of California, Irvine, School of Law, said the problems in Paterson illustrate the challenges of mass rollouts of mail-in voting and the need for anti-fraud mechanisms like ballot tracking, which allows voters to follow their ballots through the postal system.







In Illinois all county clerks, Democratic and Republican, are pushing mail in voting. By pushing I mean they make the first move. They do this every election, but more so now with the pandemic. I doubt Illinois is unique in this regard.


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26950588 - 09/23/20 07:22 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Since everything from the MSM can be dismissed immediately, here's what the Guardian said Monday. Since Louis DeJoy was appointed Postmaster General by Trump, there have been noticable and significant delays in the time it takes for mail to be delivered. 

    DeJoy comes to the job with no relevant experience and has been a very large Trump campaign donor. Trump has already said that the only way he can lose the election is by being cheated out of victory by fraudulent mail in voting. This coming from a man who is polling very badly.

What does it take to connect the dots here?

I think the whole issue will be moot. Although mail in voting may delay the election results a bit, the Democrat's victory in the electoral college will be so decisive, only crackpots will be able to question the election results.


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26950638 - 09/23/20 08:03 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Trump's campaign is going to call victory on election night before the mail in votes are counted. Then we will wait days, maybe weeks for it to flush out and likely prove a Biden win. Trump's campaign will challenge it, and it will end up in the stacked Supreme Court.


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: christopera]
    #26950701 - 09/23/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I have more faith than that in the Supremes


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Enlil]
    #26950774 - 09/23/20 09:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I actually have a fair amount of faith too. That's why I didn't draw a conclusion. I still think that scenario is fairly realistic though. There however is no way to deny the court is currently stacked, and will be stacked further once a judge is chosen. That said, Trump's picks have been way better than the hysteria made it out to be, and in many cases have shut Trump down.


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: koods]
    #26950822 - 09/23/20 10:16 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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How is sending a ballot to registered voters “unsolicited?”



How is sending a mail in ballot to someone who didn't request a mail in ballot unsolicited?


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26950826 - 09/23/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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In Illinois all county clerks, Democratic and Republican, are pushing mail in voting. By pushing I mean they make the first move. They do this every election, but more so now with the pandemic. I doubt Illinois is unique in this regard.



So Illinois voters have previously been sent vote by mail ballots without requesting them?  I'm not clear what you're saying.


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26950833 - 09/23/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

To clarify, I'm NOT saying we shouldn't send everyone unsolicited vote by mail ballots.  I'm saying this is what Trump is upset about, while the mainstream media is trying to push the false narrative that he wants to shut down mail in voting during the pandemic.


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: christopera]
    #26951260 - 09/23/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I actually have a fair amount of faith too. That's why I didn't draw a conclusion. I still think that scenario is fairly realistic though. There however is no way to deny the court is currently stacked, and will be stacked further once a judge is chosen. That said, Trump's picks have been way better than the hysteria made it out to be, and in many cases have shut Trump down.




I think once the 6-3 conservative majority is established, we will see a lot more "Trump appointees shutting Trump down". They'll still make 5-4 decisions in favor of Trump, but they can rotate their "dissent" to appear bipartisan. It's the Murkowski/Collins/Romney triangle play.


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26952246 - 09/24/20 07:02 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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To clarify, I'm NOT saying we shouldn't send everyone unsolicited vote by mail ballots.  I'm saying this is what Trump is upset about, while the mainstream media is trying to push the false narrative that he wants to shut down mail in voting during the pandemic.




There is absolutely nothing false about that narrative. He wants the Post Office crippled so the results are delayed.

IMO he knows he's not going to win, and I would like to think he's intelligent enough to know that this plan wont deliver him another term, no matter how many conservatives are on the Supreme Court. It's all about his pride. He can't face what he knows is going to happen; he's going to get his ass handed him in the electoral college results. But for his own psyche and for his base, he wants to be able to claim he was cheated out of it.

It's very short sighted really. He's about to be in court on so many cases, being the most failed politician since Nixon is going to be the least of his worries. Once Nixon resigned, he was out of the frying pan. It's not going to go that way for Trump. Revenge is sweet.


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26952260 - 09/24/20 07:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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In Illinois all county clerks, Democratic and Republican, are pushing mail in voting. By pushing I mean they make the first move. They do this every election, but more so now with the pandemic. I doubt Illinois is unique in this regard.



So Illinois voters have previously been sent vote by mail ballots without requesting them?  I'm not clear what you're saying.




I'm not exactly positive because I'm always registered to vote. In Illinois even if you don't make a real effort to get registered, it gets pushed on you pretty hard at the DMV when you get a drivers license or state ID. You have to make a conscious choice to not be registered.

Myself, my roommate, and his new wife all received applications from the county clerk for mail in ballots. I didn't ask them, but I don't think they've been voting recently. The process seems automatic.


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26952637 - 09/24/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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To clarify, I'm NOT saying we shouldn't send everyone unsolicited vote by mail ballots.  I'm saying this is what Trump is upset about, while the mainstream media is trying to push the false narrative that he wants to shut down mail in voting during the pandemic.



There is absolutely nothing false about that narrative. He wants the Post Office crippled so the results are delayed.



That's a different narrative though.  He still says he wants vote by mail, but not with unsolicited ballots.  As for the USPS problems, I think he's just pushing the conservative position of wanting to shut USPS down, which I strongly disagree with.

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IMO he knows he's not going to win, and I would like to think he's intelligent enough to know that this plan wont deliver him another term, no matter how many conservatives are on the Supreme Court. It's all about his pride. He can't face what he knows is going to happen; he's going to get his ass handed him in the electoral college results. But for his own psyche and for his base, he wants to be able to claim he was cheated out of it.



My opinion is that his base is a lot more motivated that Biden's base, and even if he has fewer supporters overall, he may well get more votes.  That's why the Dems want to send mail in ballots to everyone, even those who didn't request it.

Again, I'm not even opposed to that, I'm just pointing out that's what Trump is fighting.


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26952641 - 09/24/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not exactly positive because I'm always registered to vote. In Illinois even if you don't make a real effort to get registered, it gets pushed on you pretty hard at the DMV when you get a drivers license or state ID. You have to make a conscious choice to not be registered.

Myself, my roommate, and his new wife all received applications from the county clerk for mail in ballots. I didn't ask them, but I don't think they've been voting recently. The process seems automatic.



That's also a different issue.  Being pushed to register for mail in ballots is different that just getting them if mail in ballots were never requested.


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26953854 - 09/25/20 04:45 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bernie-sanders-rips-trump-over-comments-about-election-integrity/ar-BB19ovKL?ocid=msedgntp

When I said this you implied I was a pawn of the MSM, although I pointed out that the Guardian said it.

So if Bernie Sanders says it, what's the deal with him? If qman ripped me for this I would accept that because he says Bernie's a POS now, and I accept consistency in arguments.

How are you going to deal with, what looks very much to me, like an inconsistency.


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    #26954360 - 09/25/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bernie-sanders-rips-trump-over-comments-about-election-integrity/ar-BB19ovKL?ocid=msedgntp

When I said this you implied I was a pawn of the MSM, although I pointed out that the Guardian said it.



The Guardian IS a mainstream source.  They print the same fake news as the NYT and WaPo.

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So if Bernie Sanders says it, what's the deal with him? If qman ripped me for this I would accept that because he says Bernie's a POS now, and I accept consistency in arguments.

How are you going to deal with, what looks very much to me, like an inconsistency.



Unfortunately, I agree with qman.  Bernie went all in for Biden.


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