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Give up your rights, it is America afterall!
    #2695057 - 05/18/04 07:32 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The following is from the leader of the free world...

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"The sacred institution of marriage should not be redefined by a few activist judges. All Americans have a right to be heard in this debate," the president said in a written statement.

"I called on the Congress to pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of a man and a woman as husband and wife. The need for that amendment is still urgent, and I repeat that call today."





> The sacred institution of marriage should not be redefined by a few activist judges.

Why is marriage sacred? If it is sacred, then religion must play into it, and the government should stay out of the arguement, no?

> I called on the Congress to pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution ... The need for that amendment is still urgent, and I repeat that call today.

With all that is happening in the world, all the problems we have with terrorism, don't you think we could be wasting our time on something more important like pay raises for congress?

I thought we already decided that 'seperate but equal' is a form of descrimination. Marriage, civil union... the same thing, but with different names... seperate but equal.


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Re: Give up your rights, it is America afterall! [Re: Seuss]
    #2695339 - 05/18/04 11:05 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

please don't confuse bush with his double standards.


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Re: Give up your rights, it is America afterall! [Re: Seuss]
    #2695468 - 05/18/04 12:09 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Cultural conservative are being encouraged to get worked up about this in the hopes they will ignore Bush's transgressions in other areas.


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Re: Give up your rights, it is America afterall! [Re: Seuss]
    #2695485 - 05/18/04 12:18 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I am convinced that most republicans, and specifically (*) and his Neocon brethren, are quite immune to irony. To whit:

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The sacred institution of marriage should not be redefined by a few activist judges.





Just 3 days after El Shrubbo made this comment, a state supreme court judge in North Dakota issued a statewide order to stop all abortions in the state, despite it being quite illegal to do so - an order that remained in place for about a week.

This was, of course, the work of one "activist judge" - but of course, since it falls in line with the (*) party line, noone from the White House bothered to acnowledge that part.


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Re: Give up your rights, it is America afterall! [Re: Seuss]
    #2696791 - 05/18/04 04:56 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Translation:

Hey religious right, I'm talking to you.. If you don't vote for me you hate god!


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Re: Give up your rights, it is America afterall! [Re: Seuss]
    #2696955 - 05/18/04 05:18 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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The sacred institution of marriage should not be redefined by a few activist judges.




Yes, marriage is for Britney Spears, Liz Taylor and people who want to marry a millionare.

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I called on the Congress to pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution ... The need for that amendment is still urgent, and I repeat that call today.




Because gay marriage will be the downfall of society and is a slippery slope that leads to people marrying dogs. Just like when women got the vote.





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Re: Give up your rights, it is America afterall! [Re: Learyfan]
    #2699672 - 05/19/04 03:18 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

yeah giving women the vote was a slipery slope, now its just leading us to hamster voteing


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Re: Give up your rights, it is America afterall! [Re: AhronZombi]
    #2699688 - 05/19/04 03:27 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Whoa whoa WHOA. Did you guys really just say that?? I'm disappointed.


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Re: Give up your rights, it is America afterall! [Re: adrug]
    #2701297 - 05/19/04 02:40 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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adrug said:
Whoa whoa WHOA. Did you guys really just say that?? I?m disappointed.




Sarcasm adrug. Sarcasm.

Obviously women getting the vote did not lead to animal voting. Just like gay marriage will not lead to interspecies marriage.





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Re: Give up your rights, it is America afterall! [Re: Learyfan]
    #2702040 - 05/19/04 05:30 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Gay marriage will however lead to gays believing they should have the same rights with adoption.


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Re: Give up your rights, it is America afterall! [Re: d33p]
    #2702050 - 05/19/04 05:33 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Gay marriage will however lead to gays believing they should have the same rights with adoption.



As they should.


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Re: Give up your rights, it is America afterall! [Re: silversoul7]
    #2702069 - 05/19/04 05:37 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Im just wondering ss7, do you believe you can be born gay?


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Re: Give up your rights, it is America afterall! [Re: Learyfan]
    #2702100 - 05/19/04 05:48 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

*whew* my sarcasm meter is waaay off lately. :smirk:


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Re: Give up your rights, it is America afterall! [Re: d33p]
    #2702111 - 05/19/04 05:51 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Im just wondering ss7, do you believe you can be born gay?



I'm pretty sure you can. I know it's not just the parental influence, cuz I had a gay friend in High School whose parents were radical right-wingers.


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Re: Give up your rights, it is America afterall! [Re: silversoul7]
    #2702127 - 05/19/04 05:56 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Well i dont buy it. Although if they ever do find a "gay gene" which i very highly doubt when they decompile the human genome i will support that gays have every equal right as straights.


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Re: Give up your rights, it is America afterall! [Re: d33p]
    #2702148 - 05/19/04 05:59 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Why does it matter? What's the harm in two men or two women getting married, or even raising a child?


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Re: Give up your rights, it is America afterall! [Re: silversoul7]
    #2702185 - 05/19/04 06:08 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Kids are brutal. If anyone ever found out another kid had parents he would be torn to shreds.

Being gay is fine if thats your choice of how to live your life. What i dont think we should be teaching kids however is that it is normal or great to be gay. Homosexuality is a disfunction and not something that should be admired or even supported.

I have a bunch of gay friends probably much more than most since i live in miami. I'm good friends with them but still i dont think they should be raising kids anymore than someone whose sexual partner is a golden retriever.

And on a side note ENOUGH WITH THE FUCKING PARADES. You're gay and pround, woop dee doo, keep it to yourself.


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Re: Give up your rights, it is America afterall! [Re: d33p]
    #2702213 - 05/19/04 06:18 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Kids are brutal. If anyone ever found out another kid had parents he would be torn to shreds.



Kids will make fun of each other for anything. They'll survive, though. Besides, it builds character.

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Being gay is fine if thats your choice of how to live your life. What i dont think we should be teaching kids however is that it is normal or great to be gay. Homosexuality is a disfunction and not something that should be admired or even supported.



If it was a disfunction, that would imply that they couldn't function right. Considering that gays can do anything a straight person can do, I don't think it could properly be called a disfunction. Maybe an abnormality, like being left-handed, but not a disfunction. And no, it's not "normal" in the sense that it's uncommon, but there's nothing wrong with that. It shouldn't be supported or admired, but shouldn't be discouraged or looked down upon either. It should just be seen as something different, not bad or good.

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I have a bunch of gay friends probably much more than most since i live in miami. I'm good friends with them but still i dont think they should be raising kids anymore than someone whose sexual partner is a golden retriever.



Well, you're entitled to your opinion. However, I think a lot of gays would be better parents than certain straight parents.

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And on a side note ENOUGH WITH THE FUCKING PARADES. You're gay and pround, woop dee doo, keep it to yourself.



I'm not a big fan of the parades either, but if you don't like 'em, you don't have to watch. Besides, most of these parades happen in places with a high gay population anyway.


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Re: Give up your rights, it is America afterall! [Re: silversoul7]
    #2702261 - 05/19/04 06:33 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Kids will make fun of each other for anything. They'll survive, though. Besides, it builds character.




Its an necessary thing to put a kid through. And if the parent tries to advocate homosexuality to their child i would find that very bad.

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If it was a disfunction, that would imply that they couldn't function right. Considering that gays can do anything a straight person can do, I don't think it could properly be called a disfunction. Maybe an abnormality, like being left-handed, but not a disfunction. And no, it's not "normal" in the sense that it's uncommon, but there's nothing wrong with that. It shouldn't be supported or admired, but shouldn't be discouraged or looked down upon either. It should just be seen as something different, not bad or good.




Dont make me define disfunction here, you're smarter than that. Never mind i will. One definition of disfunction is abnormal functioning. Why are you generalizing. Of course they can function as humans im saying that homosexuality is a disfunction. An obvious thing they can't to do is produce offspring with reach.

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Well, you're entitled to your opinion. However, I think a lot of gays would be better parents than certain straight parents.




A lot and then certain just doesn't cut the mustard with me.

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I'm not a big fan of the parades either, but if you don't like 'em, you don't have to watch. Besides, most of these parades happen in places with a high gay population anyway.




Its hard to avoid them when they takeover a large part of downtown. And i already said i live in miami. You need to be careful out here. If a girl says she is unable to naturally lubricate herself..... run.


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Re: Give up your rights, it is America afterall! [Re: d33p]
    #2702274 - 05/19/04 06:37 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Kids will make fun of each other for anything.  They'll survive, though.  Besides, it builds character.




Its an necessary thing to put a kid through. And if the parent tries to advocate homosexuality to their child i would find that very bad.



I don't think it would be any worse than advocating heterosexuality.  People should be free to be themselves.

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If it was a disfunction, that would imply that they couldn't function right.  Considering that gays can do anything a straight person can do, I don't think it could properly be called a disfunction.  Maybe an abnormality, like being left-handed, but not a disfunction.  And no, it's not "normal" in the sense that it's uncommon, but there's nothing wrong with that.  It shouldn't be supported or admired, but shouldn't be discouraged or looked down upon either.  It should just be seen as something different, not bad or good.




Dont make me define disfunction here, you're smarter than that. Never mind i will. One definition of disfunction is abnormal functioning. Why are you generalizing. Of course they can function as humans im saying that homosexuality is a disfunction. An obvious thing they can't to do is produce offspring with reach.



They can if they really try.  I've heard of many lesbians who have sex with a guy in order to get pregnant.

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I'm not a big fan of the parades either, but if you don't like 'em, you don't have to watch.  Besides, most of these parades happen in places with a high gay population anyway.




Its hard to avoid them when they takeover a large part of downtown. And i already said i live in miami. You need to be careful out here. If a girl says she is unable to naturally lubricate herself..... run.



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