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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#26962756 - 09/30/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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The internet appeals to a person's sense of comfort, but when it replaces real social interaction it becomes unhealthy. Even when in the presence of others, a young person will often fidget with their phone in avoidance. Social interaction can be problematic, but whether it is or not it provides a type of drama people need to keep their nervous system active. It's been said that the only thing worse than bad drama is no drama. The road to success is paved with discomfort.
Thank you for your post. I think every urge to use a phone or computer to communicate is rooted in the need to connect. You make an interesting point - maybe we should stop thinking of it as "social anxiety" and just call it "living". One problem with labeling experience as anxiety is that we think it is abnormal and that we should try to avoid or eliminate it. Rodents are probably comfortable being anxious every moment of their lives.
I heard a speaker say once, "We call it a NERVOUS system for a reason!"
. Whether it is called distraction, anxiety, living, or a need to connect - the fact remains that most often those who begin a practice of meditation discover that their minds seem to be obsessive compulsive most of the time. . Visual electronic media are just another way modern westerners use to avoid more genuine relationships, with self, nature, or others. Pre covid of course, consumerism/shopping, were also favorites. As well as the constant noise of music, & radio programs. . How to go from mental agitation and addiction to agitation, to the states of mind yogis and eastern monks enjoy, is a difficult journey everyone wishing to make the change must learn to deal with, using the tools of personal commitment and persistence, regardless of external approval, or setbacks. . Seems that's just the way it is for 99.999...% of us.
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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: DividedQuantum]
#26976269 - 10/08/20 10:55 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Was introduced to this social commentrist the other day DQ, and was reminded of your quote above: 'I'm fairly sure anyone born after about 2010 is just totally fucked'.
Quick and fun to watch, and I think it shows the degradation of the youth at work.
I wrote about it more here.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: DividedQuantum]
#26976682 - 10/09/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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The internet at this point has probably been a net negative, but not by much.
On the upside, it destroyed television, which was like one of the great evils of the world.
On the downside, it's been used by nation states to control people just like TV, but even more effectively. It's allowed evil people to organize terrible stuff and spread propaganda and indoctrinate people into awful belief systems and stuff like that. It's been used by people and nation states to cause others to commit suicide or kill. It enables bullying, shaming, and stalking on a scale never before seen by other technologies. It's a distraction from the things that really matter in life, making trivial and stupid things seem important. It has probably wasted as many or more hours of life and productivity than TV.
None of that is the technology's fault though. It's humanity's fault. The fact that we're so immature and stupid and selfish as a species to do that kind of stuff, or to fall for propaganda and indoctrination, says a lot about the primitive state of mankind as a species.
In the future, I think it'll swing back the other way eventually. The same technologies that allow people to be indoctrinated with propaganda can also be used to teach people and to make them better human beings. The technology itself is neutral, it could be used for either purpose, and I'm sure one day it will be. Right now is just growing pains, and they might last a long time, but eventually the technology will become a net positive.
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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: nooneman]
#26976983 - 10/09/20 12:32 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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That was Crichton's main implication. That internet, which really was a lot more neutral from about 1995-2005, would become as bad as or worse than television. And all these new forms of addiction and indoctrination are bearing that out, as you point out. I very much hope the tide turns and the internet becomes a more positive tool, but a similar evolution never took place for television, so it doesn't seem likely to me that it will happen anytime soon.
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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: nooneman]
#26977179 - 10/09/20 03:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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nooneman said: On the upside, it destroyed television, which was like one of the great evils of the world.
I've not noticed this; most people I know still have a television.
What makes you feel this is the case?
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#26977201 - 10/09/20 03:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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haven't had television in 2 decades. maybe in 2 decades I will have quit the internet too, or it will have quit me.
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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: redgreenvines]
#26977874 - 10/10/20 02:21 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: haven't had television in 2 decades.
this is good
and then I mean not having a television is that or does it or both
throw out you television if you have one
it overstimulates the mind like brain suppression
it hinders 8 fold path and middle way and getting things done
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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: laughingdog] 3
#26987366 - 10/15/20 04:15 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Visual electronic media are just another way modern westerners use to avoid more genuine relationships, with self, nature, or others.
I think we use detractions to avoid the deep sadness and void within. Human beings experience a massive social deficit (due to lack of intimate relationships) that has huge negative consequences. There is more intimacy in a 1 hour soap opera than most people get in a month. Or a year. We somehow survive on thin broth. We live on the edge of a sharp blade - easily toppled.
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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#26989190 - 10/16/20 09:08 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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Rahz said:
The internet appeals to a person's sense of comfort, but when it replaces real social interaction it becomes unhealthy. Even when in the presence of others, a young person will often fidget with their phone in avoidance. Social interaction can be problematic, but whether it is or not it provides a type of drama people need to keep their nervous system active. It's been said that the only thing worse than bad drama is no drama. The road to success is paved with discomfort.
Thank you for your post. I think every urge to use a phone or computer to communicate is rooted in the need to connect. You make an interesting point - maybe we should stop thinking of it as "social anxiety" and just call it "living". One problem with labeling experience as anxiety is that we think it is abnormal and that we should try to avoid or eliminate it. Rodents are probably comfortable being anxious every moment of their lives.
I heard a speaker say once, "We call it a NERVOUS system for a reason!"
Same thing when watching the young, wild bunny rabbits (not the jackrabbits.). They are ALWAYS on alert and freaking out over the slightest sound or motion. Sometimes they get mildly comfortable but it's very short lived.
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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: Tulipslave]
#27003978 - 10/26/20 03:27 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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The internet is turning into a corporate conglomerate. Just a few corporate companies competing for ad revenue. Everything I see online is just someone blasting their opinion of something. This makes people unable to think for themselves because their own opinions are only formed from what they have already heard. This is how the whole social justice warrior crowd was formed. A bunch of people sharing the same exact opinions.
All media seems to be opinion based for the last few years. Journalism used to be about reporting, now it's about reporting your opinion of an affair. It's only done to stray public opinion and thought.
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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
#27005147 - 10/26/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Actually there is also a lot of very high quality educational material on Youtube for instance. It is also a great resource for crafts projects. There are many science journals, and sites where one can download free books. Also websites with free lectures of all sorts. I'm sure many have favorite sites for all sorts of peculiar and particular information.
As you say, there is of course, also much garbage, and mindless social media.
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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: laughingdog]
#27005169 - 10/26/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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laughingdog said: Actually there is also a lot of very high quality educational material on Youtube for instance. It is also a great resource for crafts projects. There are many science journals, and sites where one can download free books. Also websites with free lectures of all sorts. I'm sure many have favorite sites for all sorts of peculiar and particular information.
As you say, there is of course, also much garbage, and mindless social media.
It's not just social media websites but also news websites.
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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
#27005742 - 10/27/20 06:00 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: DividedQuantum]
#27007760 - 10/28/20 07:29 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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DividedQuantum said: I was just idly remembering some comments the late author Michael Crichton made about the internet revolution. He said two things that stick out in my memory:
One, that because of the social dynamic of internet communication, use of the web will lead to a homogenization of thought -- a lot of people will subliminally start thinking in the same ways, reducing diversity of thought significantly.
Two, the internet will go the way of television -- it will be negatively changed by money, in the sense that advertising will be everywhere and costs associated with participation will skyrocket.
I cannot remember when or where these comments of his were made, but probably in an interview around the turn of the century.
How do they strike you? Do you feel he was on the mark, or is it a matter of greater complexity? I'm quite interested to read what you guys have to say about this, out of curiosity.
Manipulation of the masses by mass media while people become more susceptible to their influences through social media's conditioning, ofc people just start falling in line and submitting to their influence when they lack the capacity to think critically. Dumbing down the commoners makes them easier to control and manipulate.
I'm more worried about what Johnny boy thinks about my new hairstyle that I just put on insta than the effects the megacorps are having on the environment.
Did he like my pic? Did he like my pic? Did he like my pic? Did he like my pic?
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