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Consequences of the internet over the years * 1
    #26949666 - 09/22/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I was just idly remembering some comments the late author Michael Crichton made about the internet revolution. He said two things that stick out in my memory:

One, that because of the social dynamic of internet communication, use of the web will lead to a homogenization of thought -- a lot of people will subliminally start thinking in the same ways, reducing diversity of thought significantly.

Two, the internet will go the way of television -- it will be negatively changed by money, in the sense that advertising will be everywhere and costs associated with participation will skyrocket.

I cannot remember when or where these comments of his were made, but probably in an interview around the turn of the century.

How do they strike you? Do you feel he was on the mark, or is it a matter of greater complexity? I'm quite interested to read what you guys have to say about this, out of curiosity.


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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #26949705 - 09/22/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Oh man Idk.  I would say greater complexity of thought simply through a faster exchange of ideas and information.  Yet not everybody uses the internet towards the same ends.  Staring at cat videos will reduce neurological systems.

In summary, I'd say the potential in an omni-directional kind of way has undoubtedly increased.  Yet, there's that saying that says "you are what you eat".  In this saying I can't help but fear that all this experience and progress by way of the internet and in the internet simply ends in itself.  If it can't be said that there are benefits in one way or another that manifest outside of the online domain through extention then my pov towards online accomplishments diminishes significantly I think.


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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: DividedQuantum] * 2
    #26949742 - 09/22/20 04:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

i have noticed, in the periods of time when i have stayed off of the internet, i have my most unique and novel thoughts.  everytime we read anothers thoughts, it tweaks our own thoughts, whether we realize it or not, even more so for those who have sponge-like personalities.  using the internet certainly has the  power to remove the power of imagination. 

it's a little shocking to me, when i see a six month old with a phone, watching a youtube video, three inches from their face.  will they ever learn to use the power of their own imagination to entertain themselves?

a frightening thought, is considering the future of technology, with something like Neuralink, where the internet will be embedded into the brain, and humans will accessing data, processing information, and essentially be sharing their thoughts telepathically with the assistance of this device.  it seems with something like this, it would be even more difficult to have innovative and imaginative thoughts. oh, but with Starlink, Elon Musk will make sure everyone has access to the internet, so i'm sure there will be no shoratge of it!


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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #26949772 - 09/22/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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How do they strike you? Do you feel he was on the mark, or is it a matter of greater complexity? I'm quite interested to read what you guys have to say about this, out of curiosity.




advertising messes up everything
Tv already homogenizes many minds

He left out computer viruses, trojans, and worms.

One can learn a lot on Youtube or watch cat videos--so we do have choice

oh & i suppose someone should mention the dark web, porn, the NSA & Google data gathering, fake news, possible election tampering, streaming video & music, & email, the 'Arab Spring', some free books, and  online shopping, etc.


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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: laughingdog] * 2
    #26949942 - 09/22/20 07:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The internet makes everyone twice as worried/angry/sad as they would be otherwise.
Hundreds of internet friends and people feel more isolated than ever.
Additional time spent in front of a screen deteriorates health.

Crichton's predictions have partially come true, but it's more difficult to control than TV (lots more channels to choose from). The Shroomery for instance. Still, I think the internet has subjected everyone to all the ills of the world in a way that is difficult to respond to in healthy ways, making for a dose of ever present anxiety that humans don't manage well. This seems especially true of young people.


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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #26949976 - 09/22/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting. I guess I would have to agree that if we use the internet even to a moderate extent, it influences our thought processes in ways of which we are unaware. On the other hand, books do the same thing, but I think it's obvious that the internet has much lower average quality of information than a good book, so perhaps this illustrates Crichton's point. At least to the extent that we are altering our thought processes subtly for the worse, collectively.

And I agree that young people are fucked.

And I agree that technology is getting... less constructive?


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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: Rahz]
    #26949984 - 09/22/20 07:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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The internet makes everyone twice as worried/angry/sad as they would be otherwise.
Hundreds of internet friends and people feel more isolated than ever.
Additional time spent in front of a screen deteriorates health.

Crichton's predictions have partially come true, but it's more difficult to control than TV (lots more channels to choose from). The Shroomery for instance. Still, I think the internet has subjected everyone to all the ills of the world in a way that is difficult to respond to in healthy ways, making for a dose of ever present anxiety that humans don't manage well. This seems especially true of young people.





Very interesting, spot-on point. Anxiety, from what I can tell, is at unprecedented levels, and this is due to the fact that there is very little not to be anxious about and we're bombarded with information about it constantly. Indeed, people are lonelier than ever. And as I said in the above post, I'm fairly sure anyone born after about 2010 is just totally fucked.


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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: laughingdog]
    #26949991 - 09/22/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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How do they strike you? Do you feel he was on the mark, or is it a matter of greater complexity? I'm quite interested to read what you guys have to say about this, out of curiosity.




advertising messes up everything
Tv already homogenizes many minds

He left out computer viruses, trojans, and worms.

One can learn a lot on Youtube or watch cat videos--so we do have choice

oh & i suppose someone should mention the dark web, porn, the NSA & Google data gathering, fake news, possible election tampering, streaming video & music, & email, the 'Arab Spring', some free books, and  online shopping, etc.





Good illustration of the complexity. Along with a lot of bad, there is indeed a lot of good, and still some choice. It will be interesting to see where the internet is ten years from now. Business and government are always trying to get their mitts on more and more control, and I imagine eventually they probably will. I can definitely say that in the 2000s, the internet was a virgin Shangri-La compared to where it is now, although much more primitive at the same time. Can you imagine free hosting everywhere and contacting yahoo by email?


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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: Rahz]
    #26950056 - 09/22/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Additional time spent in front of a screen deteriorates health.
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Yes whether it is TV, a video game, or the internet all have a somewhat hypnotic and dissociative effect. This is most clearly 'seen' if one tries to talk to kids while they are in front of the screen. It take considerable effort, to 'get through' to them. And this effect is the opposite of mindfulness, or the consciousness of a martial artist, or hunter; which is cultivated by them for very good reasons.


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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: Rahz]
    #26953731 - 09/25/20 12:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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The internet makes everyone twice as worried/angry/sad as they would be otherwise.
Hundreds of internet friends and people feel more isolated than ever.
Additional time spent in front of a screen deteriorates health.




Which makes home schooling during lockdown more problematic. On Tuesday a longtime classmate and friend of my son committed suicide. DJ was 16 and a very social kid. School has just resumed, from home, on computer, and he became deeply lonely and depressed. It's been a sad week. I don't see anything on the news that covers this issue. Zero. Children matter most. Let's say their names.


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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26953878 - 09/25/20 05:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

so you are a Trumper? sheesh! I never knew.

Sorry about the kid, it seems as if all implied warranties have expired.


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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26954156 - 09/25/20 09:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

trump said right wingers are orderly or something like that

but the big thing is if right-wingers get enough presence and activity there won't be an earth where there can be orderly and things like this

it's like one person not sure of wether it will die and why woulnd't he take the precaution to safety up him, the earth so he can get his volvo and chocolate and hash and food and money eafterwards..


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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #26954185 - 09/25/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Which makes home schooling during lockdown more problematic. On Tuesday a longtime classmate and friend of my son committed suicide. DJ was 16 and a very social kid. School has just resumed, from home, on computer, and he became deeply lonely and depressed. It's been a sad week. I don't see anything on the news that covers this issue. Zero. Children matter most. Let's say their names.




I'm sorry you son lost his friend. It has been mentioned but anything that might make the narrative seem problematic is given minimal time. And for every kid (or adult) that does that there are more that are suffering. My sister is a teacher and has been working more rather than less, spending time working with the kids over the internet and it's exhausting for her. Fortunately she got a few months break but now she's back at it. Next time I see her I'll ask about it.

The internet appeals to a person's sense of comfort, but when it replaces real social interaction it becomes unhealthy. Even when in the presence of others, a young person will often fidget with their phone in avoidance. Social interaction can be problematic, but whether it is or not it provides a type of drama people need to keep their nervous system active. It's been said that the only thing worse than bad drama is no drama. The road to success is paved with discomfort.


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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: Rahz]
    #26960096 - 09/29/20 10:42 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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The internet appeals to a person's sense of comfort, but when it replaces real social interaction it becomes unhealthy. Even when in the presence of others, a young person will often fidget with their phone in avoidance. Social interaction can be problematic, but whether it is or not it provides a type of drama people need to keep their nervous system active. It's been said that the only thing worse than bad drama is no drama. The road to success is paved with discomfort.




Thank you for your post. I think every urge to use a phone or computer to communicate is rooted in the need to connect. You make an interesting point - maybe we should stop thinking of it as "social anxiety" and just call it "living". One problem with labeling experience as anxiety is that we think it is abnormal and that we should try to avoid or eliminate it. Rodents are probably comfortable being anxious every moment of their lives. 

I heard a speaker say once, "We call it a NERVOUS system for a reason!"


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    #26960134 - 09/29/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yepz


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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26960293 - 09/29/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)


this is how I see more serious high anxiety problems


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    #26960307 - 09/29/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)



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    #26961491 - 09/30/20 06:07 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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    #26961869 - 09/30/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

the keep in is a big drawback of psychiatry

to the client it is a big drawback

I found it important to work while I was in there

make drawings and do meditation and yoga

and paint

I had the idea that one made them heal from nature

later I had a more extensive idea


healing from nature

meditation

yoga

art

and lots of it

why would it not give as good results

or better

how about incredibly good music

like hallelujah

incredibly good art

art that leads you somewhere better

powerful effective


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Re: Consequences of the internet over the years [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26961980 - 09/30/20 12:44 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

so many ways to be afflicted, and such a variation in impacts from mental problems. I think that no single treatment works for every one.

Many cannot sit still,
Many lose it as soon as the triggering fragments arise during zazen - they are not ready to pursue meditation.

maybe just breathing exercises, yoga and medication and many cannot do even that much.


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