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APE potency - Fact vs Myth
#26949313 - 09/22/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is APE really more potent? Or did someone just say that one day and everyone jumped on board the placebo train? Have the actives ever been measured/lab verified?
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Re: APE potency - Fact vs Myth [Re: McDominator]
#26949496 - 09/22/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anecdotally, it would seem so.
From my personal experience, APE has blown me away by its potency. I have taken various trips with it ranging from 0.3 to 1g and they have all easily felt twice or more the potency. 5g of fresh APE (equivalent to 0.3-0.5g dry APE) has been my second most intense OEV experience, unmatched by all but one of my 3g+ of non-PE cube trips.
I have yet to take a full trip with it as 1g was not enough to get me there, however that 1g felt close to my 3g trips from non-PE cubes.
Empirically verifiable?
Well, this substance is illegal in the majority of the world so I don't think anyone has or is undertaking such a project on a credible scale.
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Thanks for sharing your experience my friend. If I ever do another grow I'm going to shoot for APE but was curious as to the validity of the claims. I trust your opinion on the matter!
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Re: APE potency - Fact vs Myth [Re: McDominator]
#26949873 - 09/22/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Very strong and speedy feeling high for me. 2.2 grams was really intense and long lasting. The production I got from ape was tremendous and also one of the darkest bruising varieties I have grown, see tub pic below. I personally prefer OG PE to APE as far as the high tho. Good luck in your grow OP.
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StoneJackBaller said: Very strong and speedy feeling high for me. 2.2 grams was really intense and long lasting. The production I got from ape was tremendous and also one of the darkest bruising varieties I have grown, see tub pic below. I personally prefer OG PE to APE as far as the high tho. Good luck in your grow OP.
Awesome!! Thanks. Do you find that PE and APE have similar potency?
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Im getting ready for my 1st grow. I was going to do PE & APE Is there any kind of substrate i can make out of holdhold items, something like yard clippings soil and white rice or something? Id like to get started asap before it starts getting to cold where im at. Any advise you may have i would greatly appreciate. Have 6 strains in all but would really like to get those 2 going
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I've only ever used coir. I'd suggest that if you can get it
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Ugly_bastard90 said: Im getting ready for my 1st grow. I was going to do PE & APE Is there any kind of substrate i can make out of holdhold items, something like yard clippings soil and white rice or something? Id like to get started asap before it starts getting to cold where im at. Any advise you may have i would greatly appreciate. Have 6 strains in all but would really like to get those 2 going
You are better off starting a new post in the cultivation forum friend. Don't hijack other people's threads!
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Re: APE potency - Fact vs Myth [Re: McDominator]
#26952225 - 09/24/20 06:31 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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actually he's better off using the search function in the top corner..
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Re: APE potency - Fact vs Myth [Re: Dorfnob]
#26952245 - 09/24/20 06:58 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dorfnob said: actually he's better off using the search function in the top corner..
Touché
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Re: APE potency - Fact vs Myth [Re: McDominator] 1
#26952291 - 09/24/20 07:37 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've just started some experimentation with PE as I was also curious about the potency differentiation, if any, between APE and PE. I'll keep you updated on my personal findings.
Will also be taking a higher dose of APE soon to go a bit further than I have in the past, so I'll get more of a picture of how much more potent it is than non-PE cubes.
Nonetheless, I suggest growing them. They were cool and fun to grow and, after trying them, I'm compelled to stick with them because it's nice consuming less material for the same effect as higher doses of non-PE cubes.
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Socrateshroom said: I've just started some experimentation with PE as I was also curious about the potency differentiation, if any, between APE and PE. I'll keep you updated on my personal findings.
Will also be taking a higher dose of APE soon to go a bit further than I have in the past, so I'll get more of a picture of how much more potent it is than non-PE cubes.
Nonetheless, I suggest growing them. They were cool and fun to grow and, after trying them, I'm compelled to stick with them because it's nice consuming less material for the same effect as higher doses of non-PE cubes.
Timely! Yes, I'm liking the idea of consuming less material and also lowering the space required to store them since I won't need as much.
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Re: APE potency - Fact vs Myth [Re: McDominator]
#26952356 - 09/24/20 09:00 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: Find out for yourself   
I hope to!
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Re: APE potency - Fact vs Myth [Re: McDominator]
#26952678 - 09/24/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: Find out for yourself   
I hope to! 
You'll be pleasantly surprised.
If I may make a recommendation, it is that you eat (or make tea) out of the fresh ones. The difference I experienced between fresh and dried APEs was unbelievable. Now, that could just be my personal experience but even fresh to dry non-PE cubes never felt this different from each other.
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In my experience they are much stronger. 3.5 grams definatly felt like 5 grams or more of other varieties. Very trying experience every time.
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Re: APE potency - Fact vs Myth [Re: McDominator]
#26953795 - 09/25/20 02:33 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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In my experience they are.
I am quite susceptible to psilocybin it seems but 1.5g blasts me off to another realm.
The fastest comeon I've ever experienced was 12 minutes and I was flat on my back full-on visuals and could barely speak.
Took 15.4g fresh as well 1 time when I was alone and it was an intense experience.
Totally worth to grow them!
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Re: APE potency - Fact vs Myth [Re: Dorfnob]
#26959043 - 09/28/20 04:13 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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You are better off starting a new post in the cultivation forum friend. Don't hijack other people's threads! 
My fault. I just got set up on this site maybe 20 minutes before i posted that. Not hijacking shit just getting use to the site. Im not big on always having a screen in my face so i dont spend a lot of time online. I asked here because they seem to know a lot PE and APE but i shouldnt have assumed they cultivate, i do apologize i wasnt looking for consumer threads
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Today I made a 1.6g tea from dried apes in my signature and it blew me away. I’ve eaten 3.5g of regular cubes and it didn’t touch the experience I had from those apes. The most I’ve eaten is 2.6g dried Apes and both experiences were so intense with oev and cev I couldn’t even keep my eyes open lol
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Re: APE potency - Fact vs Myth [Re: CrashTest]
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Re: APE potency - Fact vs Myth [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26959239 - 09/28/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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The best trips of my life, got me feelin like a newborn baby afterwards lol
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Re: APE potency - Fact vs Myth [Re: CrashTest] 4
#26959679 - 09/29/20 03:01 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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CrashTest said: The best trips of my life, got me feelin like a newborn baby afterwards lol
You mean bawling your eyes out, naked and covered in gunk?
Me too man!
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Socrateshroom said: Anecdotally, it would seem so.
From my personal experience, APE has blown me away by its potency. I have taken various trips with it ranging from 0.3 to 1g and they have all easily felt twice or more the potency. 5g of fresh APE (equivalent to 0.3-0.5g dry APE) has been my second most intense OEV experience, unmatched by all but one of my 3g+ of non-PE cube trips.
I have yet to take a full trip with it as 1g was not enough to get me there, however that 1g felt close to my 3g trips from non-PE cubes.
Empirically verifiable?
Well, this substance is illegal in the majority of the world so I don't think anyone has or is undertaking such a project on a credible scale.
Great info, good to know. Thank you so much for sharing this!
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Re: APE potency - Fact vs Myth [Re: wolf8312]
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CrashTest said: The best trips of my life, got me feelin like a newborn baby afterwards lol
You mean bawling your eyes out, naked and covered in gunk?
Me too man!
Absolutely lol
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Re: APE potency - Fact vs Myth [Re: CrashTest]
#26959911 - 09/29/20 08:43 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Loving all of these testimonials. I need to get my hands on some APE.
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Loaded Shaman said:
Great info, good to know. Thank you so much for sharing this!

Glad to be of service.
I will be taking 1.5-2g of APEs this weekend so I'll get back to this thread about my experience.
Just to add an important note, my APEs are from MS so there is variability in potency. However, it seems that this variability is not as wide as non-PE cubes. I've yet to take any dose of MS APEs and not feel like it is appropriate or stronger for that particular dose (whereas with non-PE MS cubes, sometimes a dose is completely bunk).
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Socrateshroom said: I will be taking 1.5-2g of APEs this weekend so I'll get back to this thread about my experience.
Following this thread, eager to hear about how it went
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Great info, good to know. Thank you so much for sharing this!

Glad to be of service.
I will be taking 1.5-2g of APEs this weekend so I'll get back to this thread about my experience.
Just to add an important note, my APEs are from MS so there is variability in potency. However, it seems that this variability is not as wide as non-PE cubes. I've yet to take any dose of MS APEs and not feel like it is appropriate or stronger for that particular dose (whereas with non-PE MS cubes, sometimes a dose is completely bunk).
Take them on a completely empty stomach a few hours after you wake up for the day. 1.5-2g rocks my shit if I do it this way.
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Re: APE potency - Fact vs Myth [Re: CrashTest]
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Loaded Shaman said:
Great info, good to know. Thank you so much for sharing this!

Glad to be of service.
I will be taking 1.5-2g of APEs this weekend so I'll get back to this thread about my experience.
Just to add an important note, my APEs are from MS so there is variability in potency. However, it seems that this variability is not as wide as non-PE cubes. I've yet to take any dose of MS APEs and not feel like it is appropriate or stronger for that particular dose (whereas with non-PE MS cubes, sometimes a dose is completely bunk).
Take them on a completely empty stomach a few hours after you wake up for the day. 1.5-2g rocks my shit if I do it this way.
That's the plan, I always fast before dosing
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Socrateshroom said: I will be taking 1.5-2g of APEs this weekend so I'll get back to this thread about my experience.
Following this thread, eager to hear about how it went 
So I wrote about my experience here:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=26969415&page=0&vc=#26969415
Although anecdotal, I’m absolutely convinced that APEs are, potency wise, on another level. (I took 1.5g)
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Damn! That is quite the report. And on only 1.5g, that sounds amazing. I'll have to let you know what I found on my last trip of 4g of normal cubensis someday...
And I can't wait to get my hands on APE.
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