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Electrical outlet and appliance question 1
#26949094 - 09/22/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I live in this old ass apartment.
Recently our toaster stopped working. 6 months old.
Today our juicer stopped working. Like 2 weeks old, used probably less than 10 times. No more than 14.
Wondering if the electrical wiring could for some reason be the cause of our appliances going out?
Its the two plugs in the kitchen right next to each other that i would assumer are tied together.
Any thoughts?
Just stupid. Just spent $70 on it so dont really wana spend it again and have it fuck up.
If theres a possibility its the wiring and i can test for it i was going to tell the landlord something to where they replace my shit and either fix the wire or replace anything else that breaks
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Enkidu]
#26949099 - 09/22/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Posting to follow. I have a few outlets in 3 different rooms die, also live in old home.
I worry about them causing a house fire.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Enkidu]
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It is very likely that poor grounding/shorts are causing your issue. The kitchen should have gfci plugs but sounds like age means it doesn't. Even so gfci is not the same as surge. I would suggest getting a surge protector that sits on the outlet, some even have usb ports for charging which will be a bonus.
https://www.amazon.com/wall-outlet-surge-protector/s?k=wall+outlet+surge+protector
You can buy ground fault testers too, but even so there is a chance the wiring is too old to be upgraded.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Enkidu] 1
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Was your toaster some fancy toaster with a computer in it, or something?
Has anything plugged into that outlet ever shocked you?
If it were me, I'd plug a lamp into that outlet with (if I could find one) a regular incandescent bulb in it, and leave it on all the time to see if you're getting voltage spikes.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#26949111 - 09/22/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks guys this is all great info
No pretty sure the toaster was just your normal run of the mill kinda guy
Think it was like $30
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birdeatingspider said: Posting to follow. I have a few outlets in 3 different rooms die, also live in old home.
I worry about them causing a house fire.
You should have that checked out if you dont feel comfortably doing it. Usually this indicates a wire has become loose and a loose wire can lead to a short which could mean fire or shock hazard.
Replacing a plug is pretty straightforward and usually solves the issue. Anything beyond that requires continuity testers and rerunning wires. At the very least you want to trace back from the dead socket to the hot one feeding it and disconnect the feed so you don't have a live wire with a fault in the wall.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#26949404 - 09/22/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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You know much more than I do, don't mind my complete ignorance!
If I just don't use the dead outlets, is there still risk of a spark flying/fire behind the walls?
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Baby_Hitler] 1
#26949736 - 09/22/20 04:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: Was your toaster some fancy toaster with a computer in it, or something?
Has anything plugged into that outlet ever shocked you?
If it were me, I'd plug a lamp into that outlet with (if I could find one) a regular incandescent bulb in it, and leave it on all the time to see if you're getting voltage spikes.
Good advice.
My guess is there is voltage fluxing/spiking at the outlets, causing the appliances to overload/short-out. In the electrical biz, its called "dirty power". Its really bad for computers and such.
Try the incandescent lamp trick and watch the bulb. If the bulb dims/brightens randomly, u have a dirty outlet. One solution would be a surge protector power strip for the appliances. There might be even some outlets with surge protection in them....
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Meant to ask my boss at work. I was on break and my GF told me about it. But he's a master electrician.
Yeah i second that, need to take care of those outlets man.
Electric is honestly rather simple and straightforward.
Re-running wires in a finished wall could suck
So should i tell my landlord, hey look, your shitty electric cost me 100$
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birdeatingspider said: You know much more than I do, don't mind my complete ignorance!
If I just don't use the dead outlets, is there still risk of a spark flying/fire behind the walls?
Hopefully the fault is in the junction box in which the socket is mounted which again would be a straightforward fix. If the fault is in the run between junction boxes then it is a big danger for fire and you would have to rerun new romex from where ever the socket is fed from, i.e. tear open the walls sorry to say but drywall is easier to fix than burned up loved ones.
One fault in a run will take out all the sockets after it, so it could be one bad plug blew the others. Did they all happen at the same time?
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
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Can't say with certainty that they both went at the same time- but within the same time period, yes.
I know when I run a lot of electricity my AC unit/lights will slow/dim occasionally. Not sure if it's related.
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I believe that would be from too much pull on one breaker
Like he said, they probably run one to the other.
You could buy a tester for relatively cheap and see if its live. Try replacing the plug. If not, i think youre stuck chasing the wire to find the issue.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Enkidu]
#26950033 - 09/22/20 08:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: I believe that would be from too much pull on one breaker
Like he said, they probably run one to the other.
You could buy a tester for relatively cheap and see if its live.
Ck for 110 volts first unless you live in Europe
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Well i plugged it in and it works.
So.
I think she had it put together wrong so it wouldn't turn on. As a safety precaution type thing
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Enkidu]
#26950076 - 09/22/20 08:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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But idk she told me it was put together correctly when she tried so idk. Guess ill wait since it seems to be working
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I just can't see a bad outlet frying a toaster. That sounds more like pole-level shit. or a coincidence. Shitty toaster.
Maybe shitty juicer, too, but there's more that could go wrong there.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said: If theres a possibility its the wiring and i can test for it i was going to tell the landlord something to where they replace my shit and either fix the wire or replace anything else that breaks
Testing wiring is simple. Connect an incandescent bulb to that same receptacle. It must not change intensity even when other appliances power cycle. Whether it dims or brightens is more facts. And by how much. Only then does a fact exist so that informed replies are possible.
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birdeatingspider said: Posting to follow. I have a few outlets in 3 different rooms die, also live in old home.
I worry about them causing a house fire.
Just replace the outlet dude they're 1 dollar.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: budmanman]
#26951804 - 09/23/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Regardless, taking this thread as the sign before something brutal happens, so will get on it. Ya know, instead of wondering.
Thank You everyone for the great suggestions and starting points!
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You want someone with a multimeter to see what you are getting at your outlets. I'm guessing it wasn't tripping the breakers at your main electrical panel, but I'd probably start there, someone might have jumped the fucker out or something.
Spend the money for an hour for an electrician to come in and take a quick measurement and look at some panels and terminations. Something is loose somewhere.
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Ahab McBathsalts said:Spend the money for an hour for an electrician to come in and take a quick measurement and look at some panels and terminations.
Spend big bucks to have an electrician take a measurement at one time. Intermittents will measure good when he measures. And then go bad later.
An incandescent bulb (monitored while all other appliances power cycle) is a superior diagnostic tool. Bulb must never change intensity even when central air power cycles. How much it changes and whether it dims or brightens are significant factors that can then tell an electricians where to look; to find a defect quickly with a meter.
If bulb intensity does not change, then move on to other suspects. Do not even look back. A resulting conclusion is that definitive.
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#26952348 - 09/24/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Okay so plug a lamp with incandescent bulb into offending outlets and see if the light dims? They don't turn on, though- they're out, alas used to work.
No circuits tripped, just plugs stopped working in 3 different rooms. While I have yall here, let's see if any of you bright( ) people understand this one!

 Weird wires hanging from side of house, meet the pole on the street. Not sure if you can see, but in the direct center of 2nd pic, the wire is lose and hanging with tree branches.
Is it related?
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Do the wires go to a transformer, or are they lower on the pole?
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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Idk of you have bearings. The last pic has a vine along the lowest line.
Where you see the lightest green foliage is the line from house.
Actually, theres a sevond line below the one. 2 lines from house to pole, one is hanging loose.
Jungle out there
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I think everything below the top wire is phone/internet.
Do you see a transformer anywhere?
Do you have phone/internet?
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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Wish I had better info for you.. It's hard to discern but looks like the transformer is across the street..
But I noticed all the other houses have the swooping low lines coming from their houses.. I've been wanting to get in that area with the Ryobi, but am afraid of hitting the down wire and it being live. Not to mention the poison forest in there.
I do have phone and internet.
I doubt the hanging wire is related to the dead outlets, the wires have been like that forever, when my grandma was here.
Idk man, thanks for helping
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It's a loose neutral or line or a loose merrett. It will be in one of the outlet recepticals or a junction box. You need to find out what else is on that circuit.
If you don't know how to use a multimeter you should get an electrician to troubleshoot it so you don't electrocute yourself.
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just hit the main breaker and turn all the power off and start replacing all the bad outlets and their neighboring outlets that still work.
As you do this pull on each wire to make sure it didn't fry in the wall. If it did the wire will literally just pull right out of the wall with ease.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: budmanman]
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Ya that would work I guess. It'd be better to find out what else is on the circuit though.
Typically on a home circuit you'd have 15amps. There is more on that circuit besides the 3 outlets. In my province you can have 12. Or mix the lighting circuit in with it. Depending on when it was wired and the electrical code at the time. It could be something else with a hot neutral that that is frying the appliances.
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Nah appliance guy is cray his shits probably fine, but the other guy whos outlets are not working should follow my advice.
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birdeatingspider said: I've been wanting to get in that area with the Ryobi, but am afraid of hitting the down wire and it being live. Not to mention the poison forest in there.
Don't fucking go near live powerlines with a saw if you don't know the voltage on them. Call your utility and they trim the brush for you.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Enkidu]
#26953661 - 09/24/20 11:21 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Did you check the ground, I mean the one outside, usually a long steal spike driven in the ground. It has been my experience intermittent failures of electrical sources without tripping breakers are due to bad grounds.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Ice9]
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It's most likely just bad appliances. My second guess would be a multiwire feed with a neutral problem that is causing you to get 240V instead of 120V. Check outlet for loose wires. Check neutrals and if they aren't twisted together then twist them. Tighten all wires in the panel. Test and Reset all GFCI outlets. Check with power company to monitor your system for voltage spikes. If it is the power company then they owe you for your appliances.
I really doubt it's a ground rod problem. In my 30 years of electrical experience I have never seen an appliance die because of the lack of a ground rod.
Also OP, you don't sound too handy so don't attempt this yourself. If you have a weak heart then messing up could kill you.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Lophosaurus]
#26953848 - 09/25/20 04:31 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I work for a construction and remodel company.
Ive worked with some electric, not a lot, but ive worked with live wires. Electric isnt really a big deal.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Enkidu]
#26954032 - 09/25/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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They might of been referring to me?
No, I'm not handy, and I don't plan to go swinging from loose wires, Ahab. But I will call the power company- it's on the list!
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Lophosaurus]
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Lophosaurus said: It's most likely just bad appliances. My second guess would be a multiwire feed with a neutral problem that is causing you to get 240V instead of 120V. Check outlet for loose wires. Check neutrals and if they aren't twisted together then twist them. Tighten all wires in the panel. Test and Reset all GFCI outlets. Check with power company to monitor your system for voltage spikes. If it is the power company then they owe you for your appliances.
I really doubt it's a ground rod problem. In my 30 years of electrical experience I have never seen an appliance die because of the lack of a ground rod.
Also OP, you don't sound too handy so don't attempt this yourself. If you have a weak heart then messing up could kill you.
That's what I get for not reading the whole thread, didn't realize it murdered his appliance.
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Enkidu said: I work for a construction and remodel company.
Ive worked with some electric, not a lot, but ive worked with live wires. Electric isnt really a big deal.
Dick...
No need to be rude and have a bad attitude. From the sounds of your posts you don't know much about electricity so my warning was good.
Electricity can be a big deal, especially when something is wired wrong or when you don't have experience. It can definitely kill you or hurt you really bad.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Lophosaurus]
#26955431 - 09/26/20 01:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I had to knock a guy whose muscles went rigid due to a supposedly shut off live wire, he would died, I smashed him with a 2x4 cause he was locked so rigid. Scariest shit. My friends an electrical engineer, supervisor, but in storms he has to go out with the crews if the doing high voltage work. Watched one of those green boxes arc out past the line workers about 12 feet to sewer grate, melted part of the grate. It's nothing to fuck with.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Ice9] 1
#26955545 - 09/26/20 04:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I regularly ground out 34.5KV transformers and work on 230v/400v systems. A couple weeks ago I blew up a 400V breaker and sometimes we blow up a 1000amp busbars. Once and a while I get to go into the 128KV substation. It's wild. 110v is the most common voltage assocated with electrical deaths because it's so widely used and people fuck around thinking they can't get hurt.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#26955553 - 09/26/20 04:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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birdeatingspider said: Okay so plug a lamp with incandescent bulb into offending outlets and see if the light dims? They don't turn on, though- they're out, alas used to work.
No circuits tripped, just plugs stopped working in 3 different rooms. While I have yall here, let's see if any of you bright( ) people understand this one!

 Weird wires hanging from side of house, meet the pole on the street. Not sure if you can see, but in the direct center of 2nd pic, the wire is lose and hanging with tree branches.
Is it related?
The top wire is your three electrical lines. Two phases of 120v and one ground.
The bottom wires are cable/internet and telephone
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I think everything below the top wire is phone/internet.
Do you see a transformer anywhere?
Do you have phone/internet?
No his electrical lines have the vines growing on them. They’re insulated. Transformer is on another pole.
He doesn’t have any high voltage lines going to his pole. The higher voltage lines are usually two parallel bare wires below the the ground line that is always on the top in case of lightning strikes.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Ice9]
#26955559 - 09/26/20 04:54 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ice9 said: Did you check the ground, I mean the one outside, usually a long steal spike driven in the ground. It has been my experience intermittent failures of electrical sources without tripping breakers are due to bad grounds.
Neutral goes to the center tap of the transformer as well as being shunted to ground, with 120v lines on the ends. Ground is a shunt to earth if there is a short within an appliance. A poorly grounded neutral line will still work because it is connected directly to the transformer.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: koods]
#26955577 - 09/26/20 05:23 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Its a fucking outlet plug not a transformer holy fuck
It doesnt do shit
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Enkidu]
#26955581 - 09/26/20 05:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah i guess if youre an inch from death then be careful
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Enkidu]
#26955584 - 09/26/20 05:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Have you tried your toaster in other outlets?
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Enkidu]
#26955779 - 09/26/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Once I wanted to adjust one of my heaters in my house and I really didn't wanna walk all the way to the breaker to just do a quick adjustment, it was 220v and the adjustment started not being as easy as I thought, decided to keep going and one of the bottom of my knuckles came in contact with something live and got shocked with 220v, it wasn't that bad, only a little stronger than 110v imo
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: budmanman]
#26955797 - 09/26/20 09:27 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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It depends on the path it takes through your body.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: budmanman]
#26955800 - 09/26/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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If your body isn’t grounded then touching 220v mains will just feel like a tingly buzz. If your other arm was touching your faucet or a grounded appliance, you might be dead.
I have an electric fence around my garden. If I’m wearing shoes I can touch the fence and not feel a thing. In my bare feet it’s extremely painful.
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Low voltage is not gonna do shit to a toaster The cycles could be jumping around to much?
Grid frequency will change throughout the day due to imbalance between electricity generation and consumption. Grid operator is obligated to keep the frequency within +/- 0.5Hz of 50Hz (frequency and range depends on the country's grid codes
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Yeah, I can't think of any way a bad outlet could fry a toaster. Even a juicer, for that matter, unless it had some delicate electronics.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Enkidu]
#26956666 - 09/26/20 08:31 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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could just Be your receptacles they tend to go out after a few years especially in the kitchen and bathrooms. It could also be the wiring if its an old house. If you know anyone you can trust on an honest opinion if your home needs to be re wired then give them a call, I say someone you can trust because if its a random electrical company and you call them out to check that, they will 9/10 tell you you need to rewire your home when you don't need to for the $$$$. If you can pull a receptacle out and check if the wiring is copper then it might need to be rewired. If switches and receptacles keep burning out when they aren't old, the home is old and the wiring is copper as well as abnormally high power bills.. you most likely need to have your house rewired. it sucks I know but it is technically a fire hazard if it need to be rewired, Im not trying to scare you... your house is probably not going to catch fire haha. but receptacles will keep going out. it might fry different appliances and if you do rewire it you will notice your electric bill will be a hell of a lot cheaper.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Omega] 1
#26956698 - 09/26/20 08:59 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Copper is what we use in wiring these days, I think you meant aluminum
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Enkidu]
#26956823 - 09/26/20 10:53 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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budmanman said: Once I wanted to adjust one of my heaters in my house and I really didn't wanna walk all the way to the breaker to just do a quick adjustment, it was 220v and the adjustment started not being as easy as I thought, decided to keep going and one of the bottom of my knuckles came in contact with something live and got shocked with 220v, it wasn't that bad, only a little stronger than 110v imo
You got shocked by 120V. You would have to touch both legs at the same time to get the 220V.
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Enkidu said: Yeah i guess if youre an inch from death then be careful
No, you can be in really good shape and still die from 120V if you do the wrong thing. You don't have to be near death, and Koods is right about the neutral going to the center of the transformer. Of course it's an outlet, but the outlet still connects to the transformer because electricity gets power from the trans and only works in a closed loop. Just telling you so that you don't get over confident thinking that you know more than you really do and then end up hurting yourself by trying to work hot.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Lophosaurus]
#26957081 - 09/27/20 06:28 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know i dont know shit.
I also dont work on live wires, i mean whata the point? Im not in a rush.
But i have been shocked maybe 4 times and it was nothing.
I guess people need to be careful, my boss said the same thing "if blah blah blah it can be dangerous"
But i guess im just a fool ya know?
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Enkidu]
#26957192 - 09/27/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Famous last words.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Lophosaurus]
#26957198 - 09/27/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lophosaurus said:
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budmanman said: Once I wanted to adjust one of my heaters in my house and I really didn't wanna walk all the way to the breaker to just do a quick adjustment, it was 220v and the adjustment started not being as easy as I thought, decided to keep going and one of the bottom of my knuckles came in contact with something live and got shocked with 220v, it wasn't that bad, only a little stronger than 110v imo
You got shocked by 120V. You would have to touch both legs at the same time to get the 220V.
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Enkidu said: Yeah i guess if youre an inch from death then be careful
No, you can be in really good shape and still die from 120V if you do the wrong thing. You don't have to be near death, and Koods is right about the neutral going to the center of the transformer. Of course it's an outlet, but the outlet still connects to the transformer because electricity gets power from the trans and only works in a closed loop. Just telling you so that you don't get over confident thinking that you know more than you really do and then end up hurting yourself by trying to work hot.
Both legs? What does that mean? It was an electric heater on a 220 v circuit, a wall mounted heater.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: budmanman] 2
#26957204 - 09/27/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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240 volt supply is created by combining two 120v wires, 180° out of phase. If you accidentiwlly touch one of these hot wires, you’re only dealing with 120v max in reference to ground.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: Enkidu]
#26957208 - 09/27/20 09:44 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just FYI if you start smelling a strong fish odor then you better find out which outlet it is fast because that shit will burn your house down real quick.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: SporeJunkie]
#26957215 - 09/27/20 09:51 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fish odor? 🤔
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: koods]
#26957286 - 09/27/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I have no idea why but we had it really bad a couple years ago and it always happened when my girlfriend straightened her hair at this one outlet (pretty much the only time it got used). We eventually realized what it was coming from and the cover had a little brown spot from where it was starting to burn and the actual outlet was like crumbling on the inside. I don’t know how it was even still working and I have no doubt that it would’ve started an actual fire if we hadn’t found it.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: SporeJunkie]
#26957318 - 09/27/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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SporeJunkie said: Just FYI if you start smelling a strong fish odor then you better find out which outlet it is fast because that shit will burn your house down real quick.
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Before the 60s there weren’t a lot of commercial options when it came to what plastics were available for consumer goods, like electrical outlets. One of the most common plastics used back then was Bakelite, which does release amines when it thermally decomposes. Amines like diethylamine or trimethylamine are what give fish their distinctive odor. So I guess an overheating plastic outlet cover could smell like fish. Those would be really old outlets.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: koods]
#26957385 - 09/27/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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They were about 30 years old.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: SporeJunkie]
#26957464 - 09/27/20 01:25 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bakelite is still in use for some stuff. It has pretty decent heat resistance.
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance questionb [Re: psi]
#26957484 - 09/27/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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op this isnt back fed thru a gfci is it?
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Re: Electrical outlet and appliance question [Re: budmanman]
#26960226 - 09/29/20 12:02 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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budmanman said: Copper is what we use in wiring these days, I think you meant aluminum
You are absolutely right haha. I was a little stoned last night aluminum bad copper good
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