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Re: Will Trump get shot if he's reelected? [Re: psi]
    #26958403 - 09/28/20 07:21 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I think he was joking.





I completely lack the ability to tell sarcasm and jokes on this forum.  If it was joke my bad.


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Re: Will Trump get shot if he's reelected? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26958409 - 09/28/20 07:27 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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You're literally it.



That makes no sense.  You guys have lost the plot.

And you still can’t answer the question, where’s the fascism?


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Re: Will Trump get shot if he's reelected? [Re: Ice9]
    #26958412 - 09/28/20 07:36 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I think he was joking.





I completely lack the ability to tell sarcasm and jokes on this forum.  If it was joke my bad.



I figured it was so hyperbolic and over the top that it must be.

How are things going for you with the benzos? I only ask out of personal concern, not to throw shade.


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Re: Will Trump get shot if he's reelected? [Re: lowbrow] * 2
    #26958439 - 09/28/20 08:16 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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You're literally it.



That makes no sense.  You guys have lost the plot.

And you still can’t answer the question, where’s the fascism?




‘ Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy’


Refusing to leave office, not allowing peaceful (through federal government force) protests protected by the constitution, Not letting himself or his administration to follow the law ie subpoenas, denigrating any and all people who don’t bow down to him, withholding or threatening to withhold funds from the federal government to any political party that doesn’t bow down to him. You know dictator stuff

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Re: Will Trump get shot if he's reelected? [Re: psi] * 1
    #26958440 - 09/28/20 08:17 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'm actually going to see a pyschiatrist and a therapist and maybe get on something long term and quit the benzo use completely.  Well, that's the goal, but addictions ate tough to beat.


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Re: Will Trump get shot if he's reelected? [Re: Ice9]
    #26958450 - 09/28/20 08:24 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Good to hear that you have that plan and those supports, seems like they can be a real trap for some people. And potentially dangerous to quit if not done carefully.


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Re: Will Trump get shot if he's reelected? [Re: Citizen X] * 1
    #26958484 - 09/28/20 08:57 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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‘ Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy’


I disagree with this statement, its a hybrid of communism and capitalism.  That would put it in the middle, neither left or right.

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Refusing to leave office,


So you’re trying to play psychic? The election is a month and a half away.  It’s still happening.  I’m looking forward to the Biden/Trump debates.

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not allowing peaceful (through federal government force) protests protected by the constitution,




oh good lord.  Riots, looting and insurrection are not forms of peaceful protest and are not protected under the constitution.

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Not letting himself or his administration to follow the law ie subpoenas,


examples and citations please.

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denigrating any and all people who don’t bow down to him,


That’s not illegal. 
Talking shit doesn’t make someone a fascist.
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withholding or threatening to withhold funds from the federal government to any political party that doesn’t bow down to him.


The federal government does not fund political parties, they(political parties) fund themselves.

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You know dictator stuff


No, I don’t know.  You don’t appear to either.

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Need more examples?


Excluding the ones that were vague and I asked for more explanation on, sure.  Try to make them real this time.


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Re: Will Trump get shot if he's reelected? [Re: lowbrow] * 2
    #26958502 - 09/28/20 09:09 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

If you don’t agree what the definition of fascism even is then what are we supposed to talk about?

You’re more than welcome to replace your reality with actual reality. You’ll get no argument here, but I’d just end with this is why America is really really ready for a king. Because reality doesn’t matter and as long as your guy is in the White House and you’re happy with everything than there’s no problem

I don’t care, really. I’m ready for king Trump and I say let him be king, not for 4 more years forever and than his kids and then their kids etc.

Are you ready for king Trump? We all know this election is rigged and we should let him stay on as POTUS for as long as he likes, are you in?


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Re: Will Trump get shot if he's reelected? [Re: lowbrow] * 2
    #26958507 - 09/28/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Not letting himself or his administration to follow the law ie subpoenas,


examples and citations please.




https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/01/trumps-defense-against-subpoenas/605635/

https://forensicnews.net/2019/10/28/stonewalled-the-numbers-behind-the-trump-administrations-refusal-to-cooperate/

This took two minutes, I'm sure you can find more specifics if you actually wanted to, and were not just arguing in bad faith(this point only, I didn't really spend much time on the others)


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Re: Will Trump get shot if he's reelected? [Re: lowbrow] * 1
    #26958510 - 09/28/20 09:16 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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lowbrow said:
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You're literally it.



That makes no sense.  You guys have lost the plot.

And you still can’t answer the question, where’s the fascism?




It might be better if I punt the question back to you. What do you think fascism is and maybe provide us with an example as a way to better answer your question and provide examples


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Re: Will Trump get shot if he's reelected? [Re: psi] * 3
    #26958513 - 09/28/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Good to hear that you have that plan and those supports, seems like they can be a real trap for some people. And potentially dangerous to quit if not done carefully.




Thanks man, the encouragement I get from so many parts of the shroomery really helped me make this decision to be healthier.  I really appreciate it  :heart:


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Re: Will Trump get shot if he's reelected? [Re: lowbrow] * 4
    #26958530 - 09/28/20 09:33 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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You're literally it.



That makes no sense.  You guys have lost the plot.

And you still can’t answer the question, where’s the fascism?





Lowbrow, I'm pretty sure that the average citizen of the Third Reich was less fascist than you.

If I go complaining "The forum is full of far right asshats" the obvious reply is "well, you being on the far left obviously skews your perception doesn't it? Even the center is far to the right of you."


There was a guy who got on the Eiffel tower, looked over Paris and said: "beautiful, but where're the Eiffel Tower?" Dude, you're on it.

Likewise, if your political points of view bear closer semblance to fascism than those of your peers, you are not seeing the fascism, instead you see moderates as far as the eye can see.

From the point of view of the sun, its quite chilly out there in the solar system.


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Re: Will Trump get shot if he's reelected? [Re: koods]
    #26958579 - 09/28/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Parscale was removed as President Trump’s campaign manager in July and was replaced by Bill Stepien, according to ABC News. He is now a senior adviser to Trump’s campaign.



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Re: Will Trump get shot if he's reelected? [Re: Citizen X]
    #26958585 - 09/28/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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If you don’t agree what the definition of fascism even is then what are we supposed to talk about?



It seems we both have a good gist of how it works so the discussion can still continue.

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You’re more than welcome to replace your reality with actual reality.


Why? It’s not working for you, why would it work for me?

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You’ll get no argument here,


well, congratulations on your red-pilling.

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but I’d just end with this is why America is really really ready for a king.


I certainly hope this is hyperbole.

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Because reality doesn’t matter and as long as your guy is in the White House and you’re happy with everything than there’s no problem


I don’t believe Donald Trump is going to start a dictatorship anytime soon.

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I don’t care, really. I’m ready for king Trump and I say let him be king,


I’m looking forward to the kick ass economy we’ll get.  I don’t see the king part happening.

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not for 4 more years forever and than his kids and then their kids etc.


OGL.  TDS.

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Are you ready for king Trump?


No, but Im ready for another 4 years of a kickass economy.

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We all know this election is rigged and we should let him stay on as POTUS for as long as he likes, are you in?


No, but you’re sure looking forward to it.  Are you going to be mad if he leaves the office after four years?  I’m more worried about the future after Trump.


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Re: Will Trump get shot if he's reelected? [Re: Asante]
    #26958602 - 09/28/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Lowbrow, I'm pretty sure that the average citizen of the Third Reich was less fascist than you.


Well, you guys have gone from calling me a conservative to a fascist.  Can’t a good hearted, capitalist, liberal-leaning moderate support his president without name calling?

Guess not.

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If I go complaining "The forum is full of far right asshats" the obvious reply is "well, you being on the far left obviously skews your perception doesn't it? Even the center is far to the right of you."



Far right is not my position.  Im as moderate as they come.  I don’t see a lot of far right individuals around here, I don’t know if there is any.  Plenty of right wingers, but far right, negative.

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There was a guy who got on the Eiffel tower, looked over Paris and said: "beautiful, but where're the Eiffel Tower?" Dude, you're on it.



So you can’t answer the question?

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Likewise, if your political points of view bear closer semblance to fascism than those of your peers, you are not seeing the fascism,


you’re so far left, everything to the right of you looks fascist.  But when asked to point out the fascism, you cant.

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instead you see moderates as far as the eye can see.


Nope.  But calling everyone you disagree with a fascist is something I’ve been seeing alot around here.

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From the point of view of the sun, its quite chilly out there in the solar system.


Your metaphors are missplaced.


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Re: Will Trump get shot if he's reelected? [Re: lowbrow] * 5
    #26958610 - 09/28/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I wish I had the same faith in the american people, or people generally. By all rights he shouldn't be able to win again, but people really dig fascism



I’m still trying to figure out where and when this ‘fascism’ everybody is talking about is going to show up.  It just never seems to manifest, but the communist revolution is sure trying to take root.




this is hilarious. communism is so far off the table in the US. if there was any kind of revolution it would be a fascist one. Trump is constantly signaling to fascists, everything from denying facts, denouncing journalism, refusing to actually detail his policy in favor of loaded rhetoric, surrounding himself with feeble yes-men, constantly attacking constitutional rights, forced hysterectomies in border camps, evoking a mythological past over actual history, undermining education in favor of propaganda, and constantly lying to stoke fear and hatred in his followers. Beyond that he refuses due process and is outright anti-democratic, and is 100% on the side of the drug war and the state's thugs.

You can cry all you want about the evils of the democrats, which are numerous and do overlap, but frankly he has surpassed them all with his blatant disregard for the constitution or the well-being of the american people.


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Re: Will Trump get shot if he's reelected? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26958612 - 09/28/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Parscale was removed as President Trump’s campaign manager in July and was replaced by Bill Stepien, according to ABC News. He is now a senior adviser to Trump’s campaign.



FORMER campaign mgr.



From what I read, he was demoted to some lesser job, and stopped coming in to work for that. Most likely explanation seems to be that he took the demotion hard.


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Re: Will Trump get shot if he's reelected? [Re: lowbrow] * 2
    #26958623 - 09/28/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Are you ready for king Trump?


No, but Im ready for another 4 years of a kickass economy.






We got some nice numbers on the economy coming out tomorrow and the day after, if you are unaware of the of the BEA release schedule.

Before that let's look at what we know right now about the economy:

Real gross domestic product (GDP) decreased at an annual rate of 31.7 percent in the second quarter of 2020, according to the “second” estimate released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The change was 1.2 percentage points higher than the “advance” estimate released in July. In the first quarter of 2020, real GDP decreased 5.0 percent.
Looks kickass to me

July 2020
0.4%
June 2020
-1.0%
Personal income increased 0.4 percent while consumer spending increased 1.9 percent in July, according to estimates released today by the Bureau of Economic Analysis.
Not too hot their either... the signs are flashing red.


2nd quarter 2020
-$170.5 B
1st quarter 2020
-$111.5 B
The U.S. current account deficit widened by $59.0 billion, or 52.9 percent, to $170.5 billion in the second quarter of 2020, according to statistics from the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis. The revised first quarter deficit was $111.5 billion. The second quarter deficit was 3.5 percent of current dollar gross domestic product, up from 2.1 percent in the first quarter.
  I though we weren't going to run a trade deficit, or at least make it smaller, not larger


July 2020
-$63.6B
June 2020
-$53.5B
The U.S. monthly international trade deficit increased in July 2020 according to the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis and the U.S. Census Bureau. The deficit increased from $53.5 billion in June (revised) to $63.6 billion in July, as imports increased more than exports. The previously published June deficit was $50.7 billion. The goods deficit increased $9.3 billion in July to $80.9 billion. The services surplus decreased $0.8 billion in July to $17.4 billion.
  More trade deficit data... still going in a different direction than Trump's campaign promised.

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Re: Will Trump get shot if he's reelected? [Re: Ezuma]
    #26958626 - 09/28/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You’re not paying attention to current events.


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Re: Will Trump get shot if he's reelected? [Re: lowbrow] * 1
    #26958628 - 09/28/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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You’re not paying attention to current events.



tell me where do you see communism at play in the american state? Republicans control the government, they have the Supreme court, and yet they keep playing the underdog. How can you be anti establishment when you literally hold the reigns of power, and have done so now for almost 4 years.


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