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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26946626 - 09/20/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't want to shut down mail in voting dude.  I think it should be more verifiably accurate.




What is more verifiably accurate: a bunch of paper ballots with unique identification numbers mailed to voters, or an exclusively electronic voting machine patented by Ivanka Trump that has no paper trail whatsoever, and that is legally protected against stress testing by security researchers?

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Now you’re just posing straight up conspiracy theories



Looks like he's gone pretty far down the rabbit hole. I took a casual glance at the front page of the UNZ review - this content looks like it belongs on stormfront. And I need to repeat for emphasis - this was all found on the front page of the website - no digging required.


Are These Antifa/BLM Riots A Jewish Coup? - written by well-known anti-Semitic white nationalist Kevin MacDonald
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It was always obvious to those of us on campus in the Vietnam years that if you fired at random into a mob of student protestors you would hit a lot of Jews




Why America Has Gone Mad - written by well-known white supremacist Jared Taylor
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It would be tempting to think this is just one more chapter in our dreary record of race riots; it isn’t. This is different. Whites are important participants and even instigators. For the first time in American history, many whites are thinking — and acting — like aggrieved blacks.

This is because millions of ordinary whites have crossed the color line and adopted the prevailing black view that whites are exclusively and personally responsible for the failures of blacks; that every white is implicated in a supremacist system that exploits blacks.





Will the Denazification Ever End? Not until the “Vernichtung” of the Whites
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Jewish sanctification is not the sole purpose behind the endless demonization of Hitler and Nazism. Another purpose is to make the anthropological bases of National Socialism unspeakable and unthinkable. Some fundamental ideas that once could be recognized as true, and even self-evident by a majority of people, are now banned from public discourse under the pretext that they are reminiscent of Nazism.

The “naziest” of these ideas is, of course, the greatness of the White race. Hitler spoke of the Aryan race, by which he meant all Germanic peoples, including the Dutch, Swedes, Norwegians, Finns, Swiss, as well as the English, whose leading ethnos is primarily of Anglo-Saxon and Norman descent.





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9/11 was made possible by an alliance between secret worshippers of Israel and corrupted American elements. The question is: who, of the two, were the masterminds of this incredibly daring and complex operation, and for what “higher purpose”?

Another question is: why do those who keep repeating as a mantra “9/11 was an inside job” ignore totally the compelling evidence pointing to Israel? In other words, to what extent do they constitute a “controlled opposition” intended to cover up for Israel?




And finally, this article sympathetic to Holocaust denial - written by the sites editor-in-chief - that attracted thousands of comments from neo-nazis.




Thing is, modern republicans don't see Jews as equal. This kinda digs into Revelations, but modern republicans rely on an evangelical voting block, which is expecting the oncoming rapture, complete with the second coming of Jesus. This has been a part of US foreign policy since at least Bush Sr.

Thing is, for the second coming, you need Jews to own Jerusalem. That's part of their formula. Jews own Jerusalem, then they get attacked by Muslims, and wiped out. The pro-Israel stance has nothing to do with being in favor of a Jewish homeland. Evangelicals don't give a fuck about Jews, and within Evangelical end times, the Jews are massacred for not being true Christians. They need a sacrificial lamb. That's why Evangelical support for Judaism is, at best, using Jews as a meat shield. It's all part of the plan.


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26946751 - 09/20/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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You know there's a difference between "voter fraud" and "election fraud", right?

Voter fraud is when someone like you or me, individually, votes illegally. Perhaps by following the advice of POTUS.

Election fraud is when a group, such as the republicans in NC-9, coordinate a stolen election.



Fine.  Count me against both.

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Of course, a quick look through the heritage foundation list shows that this is primarily election fraud in local elections. And, for some reason, 1,200 cases in the last 32 years, which include at least eight presidential elections, sixteen congressional elections, and probably around 50*50 state elections, not to mention thousands of local elections, adding up to literally billions of votes cast, does not significantly worry me.

So, how many of those were cases of "voter fraud"? Do you consider a prevalence of less than one in a million a good reason to shut down mail in voting?



I don't want to shut down mail in voting dude.  I think it should be more verifiably accurate.




What’s the problem with it that needs to be solved and how can trump do anything about it since states run elections.


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: koods] * 1
    #26946902 - 09/20/20 09:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Imagine thinking Bannon would risk it all over a million dollars.  The guy was already loaded.  This is political headhunting plain and simple.  Disgusting.

I hope Trump toss hilldog in Prison after his win.  Round up all those traitors.


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26946953 - 09/20/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I took a casual glance at the front page of the UNZ review - this content looks like it belongs on stormfront.  - this was all found on the front page of the website - no digging required...



As Vahn said, you should attack the content of the article in question, not other unrelated articles.  I could use your approach to discredit anything from the New York Times to the Washington Post.

But if you don't like Unz, I gave you another site that say the same:

Paul Craig Roberts:  The United States & Its Constitution Have Two Months Left

The question you have to ask yourself is, do you want more election transparency, or are you cool with whatever results you are handed?


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26946960 - 09/20/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Paul Craig Roberts is what some might call a "holocaust denier".

He is also a big advocate of supply side economics, which is what some call "trickle down economics".

No shit he would support the most trickle down, holocaust denying, president in modern history, through thick and thin.

I find his idea that the CIA is in favor of "left politics" to be laughable, at best.

EDIT: I don't know, but personally, you invoking active holocaust deniers and trickle down supporters really doesn't help your claim of not being a conspiracy theorist. I realize that the Overton window has shifted to the point where holocaust deniers are now mainstream, and trickle down, otherwise known as "horse and sparrow" (because the sparrow gets to eat the horse shit) economics are suddenly in vogue, but...Yeah, that's what the Qcumbers believe. Serious question: Are you a Qcumber?


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Kryptos]
    #26946970 - 09/20/20 10:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't want to shut down mail in voting dude.  I think it should be more verifiably accurate.



What is more verifiably accurate: a bunch of paper ballots with unique identification numbers mailed to voters, or an exclusively electronic voting machine patented by Ivanka Trump that has no paper trail whatsoever



Can you show evidence that anyone would use Ivanka's voting machines in the US?

Here's an article explaining problems with the existing system.  Again, I'm not against mail in voting, I just want it to be accurate.


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Kryptos]
    #26946981 - 09/20/20 10:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Oh, I see. Your concern is about the voting infrastructure counting votes, but you supported President Trump's idea that people should double vote, to test that same infrastructure no that long ago.

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Paul Craig Roberts is what some might call a "holocaust denier".

He is also a big advocate of supply side economics, which is what some call "trickle down economics".

No shit he would support the most trickle down, holocaust denying, president in modern history, through thick and thin.

I find his idea that the CIA is in favor of "left politics" to be laughable, at best.

EDIT: I don't know, but personally, you invoking active holocaust deniers and trickle down supporters really doesn't help your claim of not being a conspiracy theorist. I realize that the Overton window has shifted to the point where holocaust deniers are now mainstream, and trickle down, otherwise known as "horse and sparrow" (because the sparrow gets to eat the horse shit) economics are suddenly in vogue, but...Yeah, that's what the Qcumbers believe. Serious question: Are you a Qcumber?




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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Kryptos]
    #26946989 - 09/20/20 10:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Paul Craig Roberts is what some might call a "holocaust denier".



Source, or make believe?  He's against countries that imprison people who deny the holocaust, including those who believe the official number is 4 million rather than 6 million.

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He is also a big advocate of supply side economics, which is what some call "trickle down economics".



If true, what does this have to with voter fraud?

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EDIT: I don't know, but personally, you invoking active holocaust deniers and trickle down supporters really doesn't help your claim of not being a conspiracy theorist.



You make believing he's a holocaust denier doesn't help your claim.


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Kryptos]
    #26946993 - 09/20/20 10:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Oh, I see. Your concern is about the voting infrastructure counting votes, but you supported President Trump's idea that people should double vote, to test that same infrastructure no that long ago.



I supported that people should double vote?  Source, or make believe?

Jesus dude, you're going full koods on us.  :shrug:


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26946994 - 09/20/20 10:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I understand that you might have some trouble with reading wikipedia articles, they do get complex, I know, but in the introduction for his wikipedia article, we get an interesting point that he agrees with David Irwing, the famous holocaust denier, as to the causes of WWII and the holocaust.

You never answered the question. Are you a Qcumber?


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Kryptos]
    #26947014 - 09/20/20 10:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I understand that you might have some trouble with reading wikipedia articles, they do get complex, I know, but in the introduction for his wikipedia article, we get an interesting point that he agrees with David Irwing, the famous holocaust denier, as to the causes of WWII and the holocaust.



Did you even link to the Wikipedia article that you're accusing me of not reading?  I linked to Paul Craig Roberts own take on holocaust denial.

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You never answered the question. Are you a Qcumber?



I don't know what that is.


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26947532 - 09/21/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I'm doing my best to figure out what the voting situation is, though many people here can't seem to get past "whatever my side tells me to believe, is what I'm going to believe, I'm not going to look into it".

It turns out Trump DOES support mail in voting for all who request it.  What's new/different this time around is that Democrats want to give everyone a mail in ballot whether they request it or not.  And we know how inaccurate the voter rolls are.

So I believe Trump may have a valid concern.

New Local Election Ordered in N.J. After Mail-In Voter Fraud Charges
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In the days before New Jersey’s third-largest city held municipal elections in May entirely by mail, postal workers became suspicious when they found hundreds of ballots bundled together.

On Wednesday, a New Jersey judge ruled that the election in Paterson, N.J., had been irreversibly tainted and ordered a new vote to be held in November to settle the race for the City Council seat.

Mr. Trump’s campaign cited the Paterson corruption case as a reason not to expand voting by mail. “By ordering universal vote-by-mail, he has created a recipe for disaster”

...more than 3,000 ballots that were thrown out to make the case that mail-in voting makes it too easy to manipulate elections by allowing ineligible voters, including the dead, to vote.

Rick Hasen, an election law professor at the University of California, Irvine, School of Law, said the problems in Paterson illustrate the challenges of mass rollouts of mail-in voting and the need for anti-fraud mechanisms like ballot tracking, which allows voters to follow their ballots through the postal system.




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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26947561 - 09/21/20 10:35 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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You never answered the question. Are you a Qcumber?



I don't know what that is.



A Qcumber (I assume) is a proponent of QAnon, which is a far-right conspiracy theory that has its origins on 4Chan (an anonymous message board, which is where the "Anon" part comes from). It's a pretty complex theory, but the main idea behind it is that celebrities in Hollywood (especially Ellen Degeneres, Tom Hanks, and Johnny Depp) and many members of the American government (especially the Clintons and other democrats) are running a massive, covert child-trafficking operation (PizzaGate was allegedly one piece of evidence of such a ring, if you remember that. The whole Epstein situation was another). Another thing QAnon proponents tend to believe is that Donald Trump is the only person who can save America's children from this evil operation.

There are a lot of other things "QCumbers" tend to believe, but that's the general gist of it.


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26947599 - 09/21/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks.  :thumbup:

No, I'm not a Qcumber.


Edit:  And to Kryptos' accusation, I also don't believe that anyone who supports the rights of holocaust deniers to speak up is necessarily a holocaust denier.

What Paul Craig Roberts did say, according to Wikipedia, was that "No German plans, or orders from Hitler, or from Himmler or anyone else have ever been found for an organized holocaust by gas and cremation of Jews... The death camps were in fact work camps. Auschwitz, for example, today a Holocaust museum, was the site of Germany's essential artificial rubber factory. Germany was desperate for a work force."

This doesn't sound unreasonable to me, and I don't see how it make him a holocaust denier.  He's not denying what happened, he's adding information.


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26947697 - 09/21/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Lol


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26947717 - 09/21/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

:rofldrunk:


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    #26947726 - 09/21/20 12:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Lol



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Can either of you write a logical rebuttal, or is ridicule the best you can do?

I guess I'll have to get on board with your debating styles:  "You two are big fat poo poo heads!"

Better?


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    #26947730 - 09/21/20 12:36 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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What Paul Craig Roberts did say, according to Wikipedia, was that "No German plans, or orders from Hitler, or from Himmler or anyone else have ever been found for an organized holocaust by gas and cremation of Jews... The death camps were in fact work camps. Auschwitz, for example, today a Holocaust museum, was the site of Germany's essential artificial rubber factory. Germany was desperate for a work force."

This doesn't sound unreasonable to me, and I don't see how it make him a holocaust denier.  He's not denying what happened, he's adding information.



Dude, Paul Craig Roberts is a Holocaust denier. There is no question about it.

First of all, he wrote this article called "The Lies About World War II". In the article, he spends a lot of time defending the work of David Irving, who is a well known Holocaust denier. Irving's biggest claim is that Hitler and other higher-up Nazis were unaware of The Final Solution, the project to exterminate the Jews (or, at the very least, that they would have condemned it if they were aware of it). This is not just a one-off thing that Irving said, either. This is a thesis he has repeatedly tried to put forward across multiple books and papers. Due to his blatant Holocaust denial and historical misrepresentation, Irving has been refused permission to publish his work in academia (rightfully so, I think). Paul Craig Roberts seems to believe that this turns Irving into a whistleblower, who is telling you the "truth" about the Holocaust that "they" don't want you to hear (and by "they", he means Jews and the state of Israel).

I quote from the article:
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Despite many such accolades, today Irving is demonized and has to publish his own books.

I will avoid the story of how this came to be, but, yes, you guessed it, it was the Zionists. You simply cannot say anything that alters their propagandistic picture of history.




I think that's pretty damnatory evidence. Paul Craig Roberts is highly sympathetic to the work of David Irving, especially when it comes to pinning the blame for the atrocities of WWII onto Winston Churchill and absolving Hitler from all blame. If that doesn't make Paul Craig Roberts a Holocaust denier, I don't know what does.

Another point I'd like to make regarding Holocaust denial: Holocaust denial can present itself in many different forms. The most obvious one is flat-out denying that any Jews (and Roma, and disabled people, and political enemies) were exterminated by the Nazis. However, you don't have to hold that exact opinion to be considered a Holocaust denier. For example, many Holocaust deniers believe that the Nazis did try to exterminate the Jews, but that 6 million is an exaggeration (despite massive bodies of historical evidence demonstrating that 6 million is a pretty accurate number). Others will claim that, indeed, 6 million were killed, but that the camps weren't as bad as the history books tell us (some bigots love to point out that there was a swimming pool at Auschwitz as though we're supposed to treat this as evidence that there weren't gas chambers there). Others will claim that, indeed, 6 million were killed, but that the Nazis were blameless (this is the camp that David Irving and Paul Craig Roberts fall under).

You don't need to look at the particular details of anyone's WWII conspiracy theory to recognize it as Holocaust denial. You need to look at the message behind it, and the bigger picture of the world that Holocaust deniers are trying to portray. The unifying factor in all of the examples I gave in the previous paragraph is that the Nazis are exempt of guilt (or, at least, are presented as no more guilty than anyone else). The goal is to shield the Nazis from criticism, whether you're denying that they killed anyone at all, or claiming that they did kill people, but that it was really Churchill's fault instead of Hitler's, and that they were just obeying orders.

Besides, the quote that you gave is far from reasonable:
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No German plans, or orders from Hitler, or from Himmler or anyone else have ever been found for an organized holocaust by gas and cremation of Jews...



Do you really buy that? What reason would anyone have to argue in favor of this point unless they were trying to absolve the Nazis from guilt?


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26947743 - 09/21/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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...the quote that you gave is far from reasonable:
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No German plans, or orders from Hitler, or from Himmler or anyone else have ever been found for an organized holocaust by gas and cremation of Jews...



Do you really buy that? What reason would anyone have to argue in favor of this point unless they were trying to absolve the Nazis from guilt?



I don't know if it's true or not.  :shrug:

All you have to do now is find that "German plans, or orders from Hitler, or from Himmler or anyone else have ever been found for an organized holocaust by gas and cremation of Jews" and then you'll have proven your point.

If you can't find it, Paul Craig Roberts has proven his.

I'm interested to know which of you two is wrong on this.



Regardless, it doesn't even matter to the point above.


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Re: DNC Caught Political HeadHunting - Bannon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26947759 - 09/21/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

"No German plans, or orders from Hitler, or from Himmler or anyone else have ever been found for an organized holocaust by gas and cremation of Jews..."

This doesn't sound unreasonable to me, and I don't see how it make him a holocaust denier.  He's not denying what happened, he's adding information.





When the post says it all, there's no input. It made me lol.


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