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Deconstructionism
    #2694725 - 05/18/04 04:01 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

What do you folks think of this philosophy?


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Re: Deconstructionism [Re: Sclorch]
    #2694733 - 05/18/04 04:04 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Could you explain is a little?


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Re: Deconstructionism [Re: Sclorch]
    #2694735 - 05/18/04 04:04 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

come on man.
give a summary or something, a quote, something.
a definition.


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Re: Deconstructionism [Re: Sclorch]
    #2694739 - 05/18/04 04:06 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I think Derrida and his deconstruction are shit.

I think that about most literary or linguistic theories.


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Re: Deconstructionism [Re: Sclorch]
    #2694748 - 05/18/04 04:12 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I haven't read enough to really make a good argument for or against it. But I didn't like the movie "Donnie Darko" and it was about deconstructionism. I liked many PARTS of the movie, but overall I thought it was weak.


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Re: Deconstructionism [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2694749 - 05/18/04 04:13 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

agreed (with phencyclidine)

however, those who can take massive doses of psychedelic drugs, and experiance thier philosophy on the RAWEST most in your face complete level, are given mad props.


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Re: Deconstructionism [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2694756 - 05/18/04 04:16 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

PCP:
I think Derrida and his deconstruction are shit.
I think that about most literary or linguistic theories.


hehehe
I haven't been persuaded to like it either.

As for explanations or definitions... you're really going to have to read a little.
Condensing thick topics into soundbytes isn't my bag. No offense meant.


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Re: Deconstructionism [Re: sammy_jankis]
    #2694766 - 05/18/04 04:21 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Don't get me started on Donnie Darko.  It's a bit of a ripoff of American Beauty with some determinism, weirdness, and bullshit thrown in.  Then it's all tied together in a deconstructionist plot.

Though Patrick Swayze's character and "Sparkle Motion" crack me up whenever I think of them.  :lol:


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Re: Deconstructionism [Re: Sclorch]
    #2694790 - 05/18/04 04:35 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Literary theories are funny. A lot of them simply seem to analyze how human beings come to know things and then somehow jump to the "obvious" conclusion that those ways of knowing are wrong.

For example and this isn't one that I've actually seen, but it's something I'd expect. A literary theory might just start out by analyzing, lets say, symbollic logic. The fact that symbollic logic makes use of a "metaphysics of an either-or system, whereby all things are hierarchically categorized into binary opposites" is made out to be something suspicious. Then, an argument about how binary systems are in fact, only representations of things which may not be binary opposites but are simply defined as such unfolds. This argument is simply used to prove that a given system of knowing depends on observations and categorizations which have to be structured against itself (talk about obvious). Hence, we are shown, any system of knowing is informed by the manner in which it is organized.

My problem with these theories is not the soundness of them (though some theories I find totally insane), but my problem is that they only point out the obvious. Sure, chemistry, as a discipline, is informed by the linguistic markers of the discipline. We talk about "atoms" and all of the different ways we talk about them inform us about "atoms", but "atoms" is really just a word used to signify something that we perceive. Okay, that's fine, and I'd say that in some ways that's a moot point. We could call "atoms", ohh "little planets" instead and sure, it means something different, but that won't change the equations we use to describe them. My biggest problem with these theories is that usually they're used by academics to shit on the physical sciences for being imperfect, but they offer no better ways of knowing for society as a whole.


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Re: Deconstructionism [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2694893 - 05/18/04 05:20 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah... deconstructionism can be a little anal-retentive.
I don't see deconstructionism as a new thought process or anything either. It seems to me that it isn't much more than a method of questioning one's perception. I don't need a method to question my perception. I'll just take some mushrooms and be done with it.


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Re: Deconstructionism [Re: sammy_jankis]
    #2694897 - 05/18/04 05:22 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I just feel like saying some of the people who come up with these theories that, "Yeah, I already knew that people use words to identify and refer to things and so knowledge is encoded by words which may not be perfect. Do you have a better idea?"


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Re: Deconstructionism [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2694902 - 05/18/04 05:25 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I think that's a good point.  Maybe that would go good with "Get off your ass and do something!! Don't just sit around bitching about words and shit!" :smile:


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Re: Deconstructionism [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2695118 - 05/18/04 08:27 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

What do you think of Wittgenstein's theories on language? Not his earlier stuff (Tractatus Logicus whatever...), but his later stuff - where he speaks about "language games"? I definitely see your point, that it is, in a sense, redundant - he is saying something that makes perfect sense and doesn't really need to be said - but still, I think it can lend an interesting perspective on things...


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Re: Deconstructionism [Re: Sclorch]
    #2696123 - 05/18/04 03:12 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I wanna bring this topic out, so we can see it in a more... developed rationale :wink:.

Lets take a look at deconstruction in architecture.

To me... and in my lecture courses this year ive had a lot of experience with this type of design. I even had to do a project over it.

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What i have learned from this... is that it seems to me to be an ordered chaos if you will. Its taking an idea, and supplying it in systematic fragmentation... as to analyze and form a sort of new concept... which would be i guess in this regards "deconstruction"... To me it seems like a re organizing of ideas.

trying to develop a new methodology for philosophy. Maybe it signifies a need for a shift in the way we think, how we tend to organize our ideas. How symbolism maybe gets in the way of what the real goal is. trying to formulate something based on something concrete... where the only concrete think here is to break it up.

To me a majority of philosophy relies on ideas that are just that... just ideas, thats why i have a problem with it. Thats why im on this unique path i guess...

Maybe people are better off each coming up with their own ideas... maybe? The masses have been way to dangerous. I dont think it should really continue. Have a system that makes everybody think alike... maybe no one is thinking...

I see this leading into a new kind of development for architecture, literature.. the whole nine yards. Hopefully this will just bare a sign of things to come. Maybe its rebellious? I dont know. What do you think?


Im gonna provide some links... So maybe people can understand WHAT you are talking about. :wink:  Deconstruction, Deconstructivism

Definition: Deconstruction in Architecture


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Re: Deconstructionism [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2696493 - 05/18/04 04:19 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Mother of god. Please put that image as a thumbnail.


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Re: Deconstructionism [Re: d33p]
    #2696526 - 05/18/04 04:25 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

For real... I just PMed him about it. :tongue:
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Re: Deconstructionism [Re: Krishna]
    #2698964 - 05/19/04 12:23 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Krishna said:
What do you think of Wittgenstein's theories on language?




I'm not sure if I am familiar with them.


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Re: Deconstructionism [Re: Sclorch]
    #2699871 - 05/19/04 05:07 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

sclorch: Don't get me started on Donnie Darko. It's a bit of a ripoff of American Beauty with some determinism, weirdness, and bullshit thrown in. Then it's all tied together in a deconstructionist plot.

-Yeah, and American Beauty is a rip-off of Nicholos Ray's masterpeice "Bigger Than Life".

but yes, Donnie Darko was total -shite-


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Re: Deconstructionism [Re: Positronius]
    #2700701 - 05/19/04 12:34 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Huh.... I've never heard of "Bigger than Life". Thanks, I'll have to check it out.


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Re: Deconstructionism [Re: Sclorch]
    #2701177 - 05/19/04 02:08 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Can anyone actually "analyze" these stories? Pick them apart? hehh hehh


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