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Fanning between flushes, or no?
#26947035 - 09/20/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know before the first flush many people tape over holes to raise C02 to encourage pinning.
Do you do that again after your first flush and dunk, before pins of second flush, or not?
Even if you don't tape the holes for that, do you fan or just leave it shut all the time for 4 or 5 days?
Searching this brought up a lot of old posts, even ones about PF tek. lol.
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Re: Fanning between flushes, or no? [Re: nektar61]
#26947044 - 09/20/20 11:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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C20 I dont think encourages pinning fresh air exchange and evaporation encourage pinning. light is good in all stages of life for mushys
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Re: Fanning between flushes, or no? [Re: polyflakes]
#26947090 - 09/21/20 12:08 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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polyflakes said: C20 I dont think encourages pinning fresh air exchange and evaporation encourage pinning. light is good in all stages of life for mushys
Thank you.
Did you grow the shrooms in your sigline? If so, I will follow your advice to the letter.
So do you also not tape off holes before the first pins?
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Re: Fanning between flushes, or no? [Re: nektar61] 1
#26947128 - 09/21/20 01:16 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't fan ever. Just put it in fruiting from the start and let it do its thing. I used to tape up my holes while it colonized but all that seems to do is make it take longer. Just get your tubs dialed for fae and you can pretty much ignore them.
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Re: Fanning between flushes, or no? [Re: pureshrooming] 1
#26947327 - 09/21/20 07:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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It seems like a lot of people go straight into what used to be called “fruiting conditions” but are now just “The conditions” for cubes. So no high co2 for first or subsequent flushes. And fanning is something (possibly) for cakes. I don’t fan tubs, they get plenty enough air.
After first flush I sometimes wait a day and then float the sub 2-4 hrs if it was a heavy harvest, put back into The conditions. Wait for mushrooms. Though on 2nd and later flushes I will mist once or maybe twice a day if I think about it because the subs always lose their perfectness after that first flush.

Some lazy 2nd flushers
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I use shoeboxes that have ample fresh air exchange so I have no holes. After pins form I like to go with a dubtub
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Thank you, Roger.
And I'm noticing that about “The conditions” from the old teks to the new ones.
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Roger Clemency said: It seems like a lot of people go straight into what used to be called “fruiting conditions” but are now just “The conditions” for cubes. So no high co2 for first or subsequent flushes. And fanning is something (possibly) for cakes. I don’t fan tubs, they get plenty enough air.
After first flush I sometimes wait a day and then float the sub 2-4 hrs if it was a heavy harvest, put back into The conditions. Wait for mushrooms. Though on 2nd and later flushes I will mist once or maybe twice a day if I think about it because the subs always lose their perfectness after that first flush.

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Re: Fanning between flushes, or no? [Re: nektar61]
#26947430 - 09/21/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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yes u wana exchange the enviorment in your tub a few times a day fanning is awesome
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Re: Fanning between flushes, or no? [Re: tripdawg420]
#26947565 - 09/21/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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tripdawg420 said: yes u wana exchange the enviorment in your tub a few times a day fanning is awesome 
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. I think so, but not sure. Please let me know?
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Re: Fanning between flushes, or no? [Re: nektar61] 1
#26947597 - 09/21/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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tripdawg420 said: yes u wana exchange the enviorment in your tub a few times a day fanning is awesome 
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. I think so, but not sure. Please let me know?
no i am not ive expalined why fanning is best prolly 100 time lets take dude tub for example them are pretty strong gentics see how the first flush is good then when u see the second how they are laying down and look streched out thats from lack of fae there is reason people stated putting hole is the tubs its because tubs will fill up w hot stale air and seep out the top we put whole in tubs so air can be sucked un and mixed in w the hot humid stale air not putting holes in the tubs and exchanging the eviorment in the tub when u fan it mock the breeze mushrooms get in nature and it get all the fucked up hot humid air in the tub so it has to rest and promotes even more evaporation on the sub surface
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Re: Fanning between flushes, or no? [Re: tripdawg420] 1
#26947624 - 09/21/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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The only fruiting chamber that has fanning as part of the instructions is the SGFC. And you fan during flushes. Not between. And fanning a sgfc is pointless anyway.
Something like a monotub is fully automatic. It gets air exchange by itself.
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Re: Fanning between flushes, or no? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26947632 - 09/21/20 11:18 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: The only fruiting chamber that has fanning as part of the instructions is the SGFC. And you fan during flushes. Not between. And fanning a sgfc is pointless anyway.
Something like a monotub is fully automatic. It gets air exchange by itself.
i still havent heard u explaine why u just seen a tub suffer from lack of fae
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Re: Fanning between flushes, or no? [Re: tripdawg420] 1
#26947727 - 09/21/20 12:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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tripdawg420 said:
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bodhisatta said: The only fruiting chamber that has fanning as part of the instructions is the SGFC. And you fan during flushes. Not between. And fanning a sgfc is pointless anyway.
Something like a monotub is fully automatic. It gets air exchange by itself.
i still havent heard u explaine why u just seen a tub suffer from lack of fae 
The heat rising off of the substrate creates convection that circulates the air. Same reason that hot air balloons float. If there's not enough FAE you can simply loosen your poly / reduce MP tape or flip / crack the lid. Maybe not 100% automatic sometimes but 95% ain't bad.
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Re: Fanning between flushes, or no? [Re: Rapjack]
#26947736 - 09/21/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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with the heat and humity rising and no fae being suck in the hole the tubs just fills up w hot humid stale air meaning the surface os the sub isnt getting the evaporation it needs adn when friuts come they preform not as good as pic above shows and when u fan your tubs u exchange the envoirment in the tub so that ait has to start over with the prosses and it gets rid of all the old air and in w the new
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Re: Fanning between flushes, or no? [Re: tripdawg420]
#26947778 - 09/21/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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tripdawg420 said: with the heat and humity rising and no fae being suck in the hole the tubs just fills up w hot humid stale air meaning the surface os the sub isnt getting the evaporation it needs adn when friuts come they preform not as good as pic above shows and when u fan your tubs u exchange the envoirment in the tub so that ait has to start over with the prosses and it gets rid of all the old air and in w the new
That's what reducing your tape, loosening polyfill, or cracking the lid is for... Increasing FAE. It's simpler to dial in the monotub's variables and let it do it's own thing. If you prefer to do it the harder way and it works for you go for it.
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Re: Fanning between flushes, or no? [Re: Rapjack]
#26947806 - 09/21/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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all u need to do is 2 inch holes at the sub lvl around 4 inches up the tub loose poly in the holes fanning dosent mean u fan w fan all u need to do is take the lid and one end and bounce it a few times so that water that has collected on the lid will rain back down on the sub re wetting it and pushes all the humid air out thats how i fruit fatt as flush
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Re: Fanning between flushes, or no? [Re: tripdawg420] 1
#26947982 - 09/21/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: The only fruiting chamber that has fanning as part of the instructions is the SGFC. And you fan during flushes. Not between. And fanning a sgfc is pointless anyway.
Something like a monotub is fully automatic. It gets air exchange by itself.
i still havent heard u explaine why u just seen a tub suffer from lack of fae 
Come back when you're not all fucked up. You hardly ever have good advice even when you can form sentences. You haven't grown anything nearly a decade so I don't know where you're coming from. But most people's results speak for themselves and no one fans tubs
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Re: Fanning between flushes, or no? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26947991 - 09/21/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
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tripdawg420 said:
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bodhisatta said: The only fruiting chamber that has fanning as part of the instructions is the SGFC. And you fan during flushes. Not between. And fanning a sgfc is pointless anyway.
Something like a monotub is fully automatic. It gets air exchange by itself.
i still havent heard u explaine why u just seen a tub suffer from lack of fae 
Come back when you're not all fucked up. You hardly ever have good advice even when you can form sentences. You haven't grown anything nearly a decade
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Re: Fanning between flushes, or no? [Re: tripdawg420]
#26948140 - 09/21/20 04:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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That second flush is like that because that tub got put in the ‘whatever’ section with no light lol, they were all going for it across the room
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them fruits look pretty fae starved to me but what ever
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Re: Fanning between flushes, or no? [Re: bodhisatta] 2
#26948561 - 09/21/20 10:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: The only fruiting chamber that has fanning as part of the instructions is the SGFC. And you fan during flushes. Not between. And fanning a sgfc is pointless anyway.
Something like a monotub is fully automatic. It gets air exchange by itself.
Can I ask a quick question - Simple, would you say that fanning increases FAE? Not implying it's recommended or ideal or even a good idea, but if somebody had a substrate in a tub suffering from low FAE, fanning would at least increase the FAE right?
I note that RR advocates for fanning, so sometimes I find it difficult to resolve the conflicting information out there.
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Re: Fanning between flushes, or no? [Re: Rathilien]
#26948592 - 09/21/20 10:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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That writeup is a decade or two old and 2 years is a looong time in this hobby when it comes to technical advancement, knowledge and insights. Cubes don't seem to be that thirsty for air, they're not like plants in any way, they're not so picky with light either and will grow normally in varying lighting and FAE rates ranging from minimal to extreme. (worth remembering is that FAE is most often used when describing the evaporation rates off the substrates, but in some cases its used to describe oxygen/co2 levels, there is a limit for how little oxygen is enough for healthy development of fruits, if you restrict oxygen too much your fruits will not look as happy.
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Re: Fanning between flushes, or no? [Re: Mateja] 1
#26948735 - 09/22/20 01:39 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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The only reason you would need to fan is if you weren't getting enough fae so why wouldn't you just dial your tubs in to get that automatically?
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Re: Fanning between flushes, or no? [Re: pureshrooming] 1
#26948741 - 09/22/20 02:07 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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FAE is basically just passive air exchange and it needs to occur continuously to be effective in aiding continuous and gradual evaporation off the substrate. Spontaneously blowing a bunch of fast moving air on the substrate a few times a day for a very short period of time isn't actually doing much if anything at all in terms of noticeable difference In evaporation rates or oxygen supply. Either there is sufficient/balanced FAE throughout the majority of the day or there isn't imo.
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Re: Fanning between flushes, or no? [Re: Mateja]
#26948988 - 09/22/20 09:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol how would fanning not i keep hearing it dont work but no one is saying why the tub is constantly filling up w humid air and when u fan it out a few times a day u are refreshing the tub w fresh air like wind blowing in nature taking away all the humid air in the tub where the tub has to build back up to humid condition's there for it has room to evaporate even more every grower opens their tubs a few times a day any way when u open a lid the tub sucks in a lil air from the movement giving u the thought of i dont fan my tubs lol right well if u just bounce your lid a few times exchanging all the humid air in the tub
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