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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: Distorted Vision]
#26945734 - 09/20/20 08:40 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Morally I think both Rittenhouse and Rosenbaum bear responsibility for Rosenbaum's death. With the other two victims you could argue that they were acting morally in trying to stop an active shooter. Overall I would say the whole thing was tragic.
Legally, I don't know how the case will turn out. I'm no expert on Wisconsin law. But the idea that there was no retreating is just not factual.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: bodhisatta]
#26945737 - 09/20/20 08:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: He could have actually retreated during the Rosenbaum incident. He wasn't in imminent fear for his life but he stopped retreating and fired on the guy. He sure didn't seem physically exhausted and unable to continue retreating in that particular instant. So even if you want to argue that he shouldn't have retreated well before that altercation with Rosenbaum he still didn't retreat effectively during the Rosenbaum altercation.
Why do you suppose he stopped? Could it have had anything to do with the other person who fired a gun just then as he claims?
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: psi]
#26945745 - 09/20/20 08:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well if someone else shot a gun why did Rosenbaum get plugged. That's completely unjustified then and his situational awareness is fucked.
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#26945750 - 09/20/20 08:51 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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He got plugged because he ran up to Kyle and tried to get his gun and attack him. lmao
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#26945752 - 09/20/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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His claim is that he stopped because of the other gunshot, not that he shot Rosenbaum because someone else fired a gun.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#26945764 - 09/20/20 09:01 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: He could have actually retreated during the Rosenbaum incident. He wasn't in imminent fear for his life but he stopped retreating and fired on the guy. He sure didn't seem physically exhausted and unable to continue retreating in that particular instant. So even if you want to argue that he shouldn't have retreated well before that altercation with Rosenbaum he still didn't retreat effectively during the Rosenbaum altercation.
Actually, he only fired after he got kicked in the face after he tripped to the ground. And also, running with a rifle makes you slower so he couldn't outrun them.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: Distorted Vision] 2
#26945770 - 09/20/20 09:05 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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It was the second and third victims who he shot when he was on the ground after tripping, not Rosenbaum.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: psi] 1
#26945783 - 09/20/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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So he failed his duty to retreat because of a gunshot. Then shot Rosenbaum 5 times. The shot that went through the lung was fatal. The head wound was superficial. 5 shots doesn't seem like self defense especially when it was just "a lunge for his rifle". 5 shots maybe if Rosenbaum had a weapon of his own.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#26945805 - 09/20/20 09:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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5 shots in under 2 seconds dude. 5 shots is nothing. He was just a good shot and doesn't miss.
If I attack someone they better shoot me at least 5 times, I might look unarmed but they don't know me and I have a concealed carry permit and I can go from looking unarmed to armed as fuck in under .1 seconds.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: bodhisatta]
#26945814 - 09/20/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: So he failed his duty to retreat because of a gunshot.
Might be a good idea at that point to figure out where the shot came from, because wherever that shooter might be is probably not a safe direction to retreat towards.
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Then shot Rosenbaum 5 times. The shot that went through the lung was fatal. The head wound was superficial. 5 shots doesn't seem like self defense especially when it was just "a lunge for his rifle". 5 shots maybe if Rosenbaum had a weapon of his own.
Yeah this part is certainly debatable and we will see how it goes in court.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: psi]
#26945821 - 09/20/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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psi said:
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bodhisatta said: So he failed his duty to retreat because of a gunshot.
Might be a good idea at that point to figure out where the shot came from, because wherever that shooter might be is probably not a safe direction to retreat towards.
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Then shot Rosenbaum 5 times. The shot that went through the lung was fatal. The head wound was superficial. 5 shots doesn't seem like self defense especially when it was just "a lunge for his rifle". 5 shots maybe if Rosenbaum had a weapon of his own.
Yeah this part is certainly debatable and we will see how it goes in court.
I know where a gunshot comes from because of the sound. Not because of stopping after I hear it and looking for it...
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: bodhisatta]
#26945832 - 09/20/20 09:35 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Either way, depending on where the shooter was, it might give him good reason to reassess retreat directions, no?
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: bodhisatta]
#26945835 - 09/20/20 09:36 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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A gun shot is going to startle you, you are going to need to know what is going on, if you should be taking cover or what, you have no idea and the only tool you got to assess the situation is your eyes.
Gun shots also eco off walls etc and it can be very disorienting.
Also shouldn't even need an explanation on how gun fire might get someones attention.
It's almost like you are intentionally being stupid.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: budmanman]
#26945838 - 09/20/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I shoot guns almost every weekend so I guess I'm just too familiar with them. I always carry and if someone has a different opinion than I do I would suggest they take or re take their carry permit class. And also get supplemental instructions on the laws too. I pay a couple hundred a year for carry insurance. Ask any lawyer if they'd support you doing what kyle did. Most wouldn't even represent you. Some with extreme political ideology would probably put their money on the line and lose though.
Kyle's first lawyer had to resign because of his past issues. Seems the extremists cant think clearly with their opinions and their ethics.
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#26945855 - 09/20/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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What kind of re re cuck state requires a carry permit class.
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#26945858 - 09/20/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also if I attack you, you better stand by your word and not shoot me until I pull mine out quicker than you can react and kill you. You sound very easy to kill.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: budmanman]
#26945893 - 09/20/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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When is the trial?
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: schmutzen]
#26945910 - 09/20/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not soon enough.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: budmanman]
#26945929 - 09/20/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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budmanman said: Gun shots also eco off walls etc and it can be very disorienting.
Yeah I'm not convinced it's always trivial to figure out the direction from the sound.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: psi] 1
#26945957 - 09/20/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Let's hear more about the girl he beat, did she also have a weapon? Is poontang considered deadly?
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