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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: psi]
#26945622 - 09/20/20 07:23 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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He completely left the situation? Huh never saw that video
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: bodhisatta]
#26945627 - 09/20/20 07:26 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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He ran away from the immediate threat (Rosenbaum chasing him). It's good that you acknowledge that the "running part" took place though. A casual reader of your earlier comments might have thought that there actually was no retreating.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: psi]
#26945630 - 09/20/20 07:28 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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That running part is absolutely irrelevant. Take a 2A class.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: bodhisatta]
#26945632 - 09/20/20 07:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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So running away from someone who is chasing you and appears to mean you harm is not retreating? Huh.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: psi]
#26945635 - 09/20/20 07:33 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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In that moment it was sure. But he shouldn't have been retreating then because he should have already been gone.
There was too much earlier provocation for him to have stayed there.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: bodhisatta]
#26945639 - 09/20/20 07:36 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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He should have just stayed home entirely. But he did retreat before resorting to using force.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: psi]
#26945643 - 09/20/20 07:40 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Look even stormfront gets it Their 4S rule that sounds like something everyone should get on board with but it really is just a white nationalist's phrase for each other saying don't get in legal trouble for killing people you don't agree with
Avoid being around Stupid people, doing Stupid things, and/or going to Stupid places, especially at Stupid times. 4S rule. Right out of the white nationalist's playbook.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: psi]
#26945645 - 09/20/20 07:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Look up preclusion
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: bodhisatta]
#26945650 - 09/20/20 07:49 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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You've at least acknowledged that in that moment he was retreating. I'll leave it to the courts to figure out whether that was good enough to satisfy his obligations before resorting to force. Claiming that there was no retreating is just ridiculous though.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: psi]
#26945656 - 09/20/20 07:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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You seem to think as long as you do the right thing at one point during doing a lot of wrong things that you're off the hook. No fucking shit dude was running away at a couple points during that night. If that's all you can see it's just because you're happy about what he did. If you looked at the entire situation with a perspective of lawful use of force you'd be like dude is fucked.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: psi] 2
#26945681 - 09/20/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Let's imagine that there were no riots and that it was just a normal day. So a 17 year old is walking around with an illegal rifle around his neck on full display, in the hood or even a rich neighborhood, and people try to attack him in the streets. He shoots them. Do you think he's still in the right?
I don't understand how people can't grasp this. He better spend his life in prison, if not the U.S.A. is about to have a lot of kids walking around with illegal rifles waiting for "self defense".
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: Distorted Vision]
#26945686 - 09/20/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Imagine what kyle did is completely justified. Now we just gotta get people to go open carry in the ghettos of their cities. Im sure nothing bad happens.
Lol literally same shit the guy above posted
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#26945689 - 09/20/20 08:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Even in America, walking around with a semiautomatic rifle around your neck is a provocative act.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: bodhisatta]
#26945690 - 09/20/20 08:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is a reason you don't see white nationalists open carrying in the hood. Because it's not a legal loophole to create an aggravated situation.
Some people who are staunchly 2A supporters take it a step further. Saying things like why in the world would you go to McDonald's at 1am if you carry a weapon. Avoid situations with higher probabilities of altercations.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: bodhisatta]
#26945700 - 09/20/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: If that's all you can see it's just because you're happy about what he did.
Nope. Didn't I just say he should have stayed home?
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: psi]
#26945706 - 09/20/20 08:20 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sure but you also spent a page saying well but he was there and it's justified
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: psi] 1
#26945712 - 09/20/20 08:25 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
psi said:
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bodhisatta said: If that's all you can see it's just because you're happy about what he did.
Nope. Didn't I just say he should have stayed home?
If you believe it was wrong for him to be there with an illegal weapon then everything after that isn't a concern. You've finally found your answer. Who cares if it's self defense when the attack was provoked illegally.
End of story. I can't go illegally provoke people and shoot people when my law breaking has offended them and they attack me. Neither can you or anyone. (Except millionaires and politicians or cops because the law doesn't apply to them)
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: bodhisatta]
#26945715 - 09/20/20 08:26 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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No, I was saying it's clear that he did try retreating, and that to suggest otherwise is at odds with the video footage. Showing up to the riot with a rifle (or at all) was still incredibly stupid.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: psi]
#26945720 - 09/20/20 08:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tried retreating during an altercation yea. Big fucking deal
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse's official initial defense statement. [Re: bodhisatta]
#26945729 - 09/20/20 08:35 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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He could have actually retreated during the Rosenbaum incident. He wasn't in imminent fear for his life but he stopped retreating and fired on the guy. He sure didn't seem physically exhausted and unable to continue retreating in that particular instant. So even if you want to argue that he shouldn't have retreated well before that altercation with Rosenbaum he still didn't retreat effectively during the Rosenbaum altercation.
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