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InvisibleFerdinando
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good for climate
    #26945509 - 09/20/20 04:42 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

how could this happen

why didn't we say stop

and agree

and find the answer


it was 23 C 73 f in the end of september and I'm in a nordic county

like we're talking about 20 years till it's disaster

do people who vote for trump think it's good (nature) cause why can't we then fix it!!

it's just making a scedule setting a deadline

and then finding solutions

the best

and the second best down to barely safe opportunity

and then pick with the best of our ability

some will say no climate change is not real we can set the deadline to 10 years

and the right ones

and smart ones will say

no it's real everyone sais so the scientists it's science (truth, can't argue with that)

and then at least the least best but safe sustainable earth not going dark thing is selected

or it could be one of the better ones

with earlier getting to goal

and you'd know the lefties were right and right about best solution, we can't shift in an instant but we could find people who know about this and understand fully

and understand what fields do what to ozone layer and climate and they could they could

come up with a plan and a schedule where you see all the answers

all the fields and all the changes in fields

with percent and math with different outcomes the best and the least good to last safe deadline


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Re: good for climate [Re: Ferdinando] * 1
    #26945542 - 09/20/20 05:57 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I don't believe in the CO2 driven hypothesis of climate change. I could go through the science but here is a quick synopsis (first understanding the IR absorption spectrum of the atmosphere and where CO2 fits into that, then understanding the blackbody emission spectrum of the earth. CO2 only partially filters that and as the earth heats up the peak blackbody output increases and curiously CO2 can no longer absorb at this higher frequency. Another thing is that IR emissions increase by the 4th power as temperature increases this STRONGLY cools the earth. There is a reason Earth has not undergone a runaway greenhouse type scenario like we are being told will happen and that is because there are many mechanisms that bring temperature back to midline.


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Re: good for climate [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26945566 - 09/20/20 06:26 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Ferdinando said:
how could this happen

why didn't we say stop

and agree
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A lot of money was put into campaigns aimed to undermine trust in science and scientific data. The Koch brothers gave more than 100 million dollars to groups involved in misleading the public about the importance of this issue. Basically, indoctrination against science.

The post below yours is one example. Mentioning absorption spectrum of CO2 and blackbody radiation makes it appear as an educated opinion. But when you actually work the numbers in a reasonable mathematical model it doesn't pass scientific scrutiny.


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Re: good for climate [Re: mescalinechemist]
    #26945569 - 09/20/20 06:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Have you gone through the science of the cO2 driven climate change hypothesis? Or just the one you want to believe?


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Re: good for climate [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26945598 - 09/20/20 07:04 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I have measured it. How about you?


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Re: good for climate [Re: mescalinechemist]
    #26945665 - 09/20/20 07:59 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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mescalinechemist said:
I don't believe in the CO2 driven hypothesis of climate change. I could go through the science but ...



It would be far better if you did go through the science
and do use numbers where applicable.

you are coming off as a climate denier with apparent above average linguistic skills, but no factual basis.

In the meantime, we are all experiencing world wide higher temperatures, greater world wide cyclone activity, and an expansion of fires in most of the major forested areas. The oceans have warmed to the point of coral bleaching, and unusual fish migrations to find missing coolth of oxygenated water.


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Re: good for climate [Re: VP123]
    #26945781 - 09/20/20 09:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

No, I believe the majority of scientists reaching that consensus. I have seen some of the evidence supporting it though.


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Re: good for climate [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26945857 - 09/20/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Ferdinando said:
how could this happen

why didn't we say stop

....




how could it not happen ! ! ! !

You flatter yourself, with your high opinion of the species

5 to 10,000 years of continuous war,
where have you been all your life?
and all of technology used, whenever possible, to perfect war.

And in the meantime most human activity has been aimed at polluting, profiting, slavery, torture, exploiting, & over populating, etc etc ... and most not aimed at humanitarian goals.

If you really want to know how this could happen,
you could expand you reading to include some satire.
There is some literature in this genera that is considered really great by many, by the authors:
Kurt Vonnegut, Mark Twain, & Joseph Heller
Its probably a lot more fun than studying psychology
and guys like Stanely Milgram
and may bring you back to earth, more gently.


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Re: good for climate [Re: laughingdog]
    #26945920 - 09/20/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I agree with Laughingdog, men will stop creating novel things and aiming to be faster, better, stronger only if they can't.
However, we have learned something from history in regards to wars, and our technological power, and there are lots of innovations being made against climate change.
The EU is making very strict rules to drop CO2 emissions by 2030 to some percentage of 1990s levels. It was just announced this week by the head of the Commission.
What US and China will do for example, is a different thing. 4 more years with Trump would mean no governmental progress in that area I think.


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Re: good for climate [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26945950 - 09/20/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

People just have to learn to clean up after themselves.
we do not last forever.
best if we don't leave a mess.


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