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First grow, couple questions
    #26944132 - 09/19/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)



Been in the fruiting chamber for a week, no pins yet.
How are these looking?
Also, it's been getting cold at night, sooner than I expected. Is a oil filled radiator the best solution for heating a small room safely?


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Re: First grow, couple questions [Re: ufc]
    #26944200 - 09/19/20 01:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Lol I dont thinknive ever seen some use coir and pf cakes like that. I'll get a photo and show u what u need to have for them cakes.


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Re: First grow, couple questions [Re: blindsighted]
    #26944204 - 09/19/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You need to make a actual sgfc like this.


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Re: First grow, couple questions [Re: ufc]
    #26944207 - 09/19/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Is that a humidity chamber, in the most general sense of the phrase,

that looks like a spawned tub,

with cakes on top of it`?

Well. You put foil under your cakes. I think you have promise.

Next time just shred the cakes to shit and spawn to coir


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Re: First grow, couple questions [Re: blindsighted]
    #26944210 - 09/19/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Coir will be to compact and not allow proper humidity and fae.


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Re: First grow, couple questions [Re: blindsighted] * 1
    #26944213 - 09/19/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It’ll work as long as it’s wet enough.

Yeah the oil radiator things are good because there’s not a fan blowing constantly but it won’t make a huge difference if that tub is unmodded.

As long as it’s not getting down below the low 60s it’ll be ok, even below that it’ll fruit but much slower.


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Re: First grow, couple questions [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #26944243 - 09/19/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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blindsighted said:
You need to make a actual sgfc like this.




Quote:

smalltalk_canceled said:
Is that a humidity chamber, in the most general sense of the phrase,

that looks like a spawned tub,

with cakes on top of it`?

Well. You put foil under your cakes. I think you have promise.

Next time just shred the cakes to shit and spawn to coir




Haha yea it's a humidity chamber. I can't babysit/mist 5 times a day or w/e. I didn't try a monotub yet because I mixed my jars up after inoculation (blue meanies and B+).


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Re: First grow, couple questions [Re: ufc]
    #26944257 - 09/19/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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ufc said:


Been in the fruiting chamber for a week, no pins yet.
How are these looking?
Also, it's been getting cold at night, sooner than I expected. Is a oil filled radiator the best solution for heating a small room safely?



Looking good, and just ignore the comments that are based in posters not knowing what a HC is. Are you following the HC instructions on how the micro climate should look on the substrate surface and shit? Check this version out it explains the HC much better, and I will update the original HC thread tonight as well. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=26601054&page=0&vc=1#26601054


As long as you maintain the micro droplets and try not to mist more than once a day/every other day and you'll get nice pinsets that will mature into full fruits every time


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Re: First grow, couple questions [Re: Mateja]
    #26944282 - 09/19/20 02:21 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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ufc said:


Been in the fruiting chamber for a week, no pins yet.
How are these looking?
Also, it's been getting cold at night, sooner than I expected. Is a oil filled radiator the best solution for heating a small room safely?



Looking good, and just ignore the comments that are based in posters not knowing what a HC is. Are you following the HC instructions on how the micro climate should look on the substrate surface and shit? Check this version out it explains the HC much better, and I will update the original HC thread tonight as well. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=26601054&page=0&vc=1#26601054


As long as you maintain the micro droplets and try not to mist more than once a day/every other day and you'll get nice pinsets that will mature into full fruits every time




Hey, thanks. I only saw your original thread. I kept adjusting the lid until the tub looked similar to your pics with the water on the side, no idea what I'm doing yet with fae/proper humidity.


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Re: First grow, couple questions [Re: ufc]
    #26944299 - 09/19/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I think you've got the feel for it.:super:


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Re: First grow, couple questions [Re: ufc] * 1
    #26944303 - 09/19/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Just make sure you always have a micro climate on the surface that looks kind of like this and you're guaranteed nice flushes every time :super:



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Re: First grow, couple questions [Re: Mateja]
    #26944313 - 09/19/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Just make sure you always have a micro climate on the surface that looks kind of like this and you're guaranteed nice flushes every time :super:






Thanks a lot, man. Appreciate the tek.


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Re: First grow, couple questions [Re: ufc]
    #26944328 - 09/19/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If your substrate surfaces don't have a ton of these micro droplets then just give it a generous spray 10-20squeeze from at least 2-3feet above and make try to spray the finest mist you can manage from the spray bottle. This micro climate is crucial for fruit formation, but once established it will remain when inside a HC and from than point on you won't have to worry about the surface conditions anymore, just take a look daily to make sure the droplets are still there, if they're present don't mist, if they've decreased by half or more then just give it a light mist once again from high above to reestablish the climate again. Gl


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Re: First grow, couple questions [Re: Mateja]
    #26944620 - 09/19/20 05:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Lol I haven't been on here for like 5-6 years. At first I thought he was trying to sgfc with coir on the bottom lmao my bad. never really had the need to make a HC like that when fruiting cakes. But just might have to give this HC a try for cakes and see how it goes, Just read a write up and the cakes look pretty good.


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Re: First grow, couple questions [Re: blindsighted]
    #26944637 - 09/19/20 05:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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At first I thought he was trying to sgfc with coir on the bottom lmao my bad.



Personally I'd rather have hydrated coir inside a SGFC because coir doesn't dry out on the surface like perlite does :shrug:


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Re: First grow, couple questions [Re: Mateja]
    #26944643 - 09/19/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Personally I'd rather have hydrated coir inside a SGFC because coir doesn't dry out on the surface like perlite does :shrug:




Perlite dries out because it puts the moisture into the air, instead of retaining it, which is... the point of the fruiting chamber.


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Re: First grow, couple questions [Re: Forrester]
    #26944670 - 09/19/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Personally I'd rather have hydrated coir inside a SGFC because coir doesn't dry out on the surface like perlite does :shrug:




Perlite dries out because it puts the moisture into the air, instead of retaining it, which is... the point of the fruiting chamber.



No.

The perlite SURFACE is what evaporates and dries out extremely quickly, so quickly in fact that it needs to be sprayed several times a day to keep it damp at all times. Hydrated coir has the ability to transport water from the centre out into the surface continually thus guaranteeing to never dry out until most of the substrate has dried out. Perlite on the other hand has zero ability to move water around inbetween the particles and that's why you always see blue cakes in a SGFC if it's not misted daily, the only thing you're doing with the daily misting is replacing the moisture on the perlite surface. But with coir you get constant evaporation thus enabling a very stable climate with constant and gradual evaporation.


How much experimentation have you done with the properties of perlite VS coir inside dofferent types of fruiting setups? I have experimented with this for years and have constructed dozens and dozens of fruiting chambers and my cakes speak for themselves, practically zero maintenence and full flushes every time. I can fruit several flushes without ever misting the cake even once ever. I'm able to do this on a regular basis because I have tons of accumulated insights about the processes involved through years of experimentation.


I always invite to discussion or even debate to stimulate seeking higher knowledge. But I expect arguments to be grounded in carefully considered theories or ideas instead of just parroting or speculating. :mushroom2::heart:


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Re: First grow, couple questions [Re: Mateja]
    #26945505 - 09/20/20 04:35 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I always invite to discussion or even debate to stimulate seeking higher knowledge. But I expect arguments to be grounded in carefully considered theories or ideas instead of just parroting or speculating.




There's no careful consideration needed for such a simple concept - when perlite dries out, it does so because the moisture has gone somehwere.  Into the air in the fruiting chamber.  Exactly what it was designed to do.

That's all there is to it.  You can go on and on acting like I was arguing against your methods, whatever they are, but I wasn't.  I was just explaining a very, very simple concept.


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Re: First grow, couple questions [Re: Forrester]
    #26945539 - 09/20/20 05:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

So then you agree with me that perlite in contrast to coir, dries out on the surface after it has evaporated off whatever water it was holding and after that it doesn't have the capability to transfer water from the lower wet layers upwards through the dry perlite surface? I'm also not arguing if there's no argument, just want to understand your reasoning and what your argument really is. :thumbup:


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Re: First grow, couple questions [Re: Mateja]
    #26945543 - 09/20/20 05:59 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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So then you agree with me that perlite in contrast to coir, dries out on the surface after it has evaporated off whatever water it was holding and after that it doesn't have the capability to transfer water from the lower wet layers upwards through the dry perlite surface?




The perlite that has dried has nothing to do with tranferring water from other perlite that is wet.  The air does this.  As long as some perlite is wet, it will evaporate into the air and create humidity.  When it all dries out, it won't anymore.


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