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Vaccine by November?
    #26945346 - 09/20/20 01:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I saw some discussion earlier, but thought it would be interesting to make a poll. If a vaccine were released before the election, would you take it if you could? So far no vaccine has passed the phase III trials yet. Some are speculating that Trump could pressure the FDA to use the "Emergency Use Authorization" to approve one or more before the phase III is completed.
If a vaccine were released before the election, would you take it if you could?
Users may choose only one (19 total votes)
Yes.
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2 11%
Yes, but only if it has passed phase III of testing.
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6 32%
No, the process has been to politicized to trust already.
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11 58%
STAL
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0 0%
Votes accepted from (09/20/20 01:25 AM) to (11/20/20 01:25 PM)


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Re: Vaccine by November? [Re: Skellies] * 1
    #26945415 - 09/20/20 02:14 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Coronavirus is the biggest scam pushed onto the public. Solely for purpose of egomaniacs gaining power.


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Re: Vaccine by November? [Re: sbulking]
    #26945552 - 09/20/20 06:08 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Totally agree sbulking. Biggest scam of this 21st century


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Re: Vaccine by November? [Re: mescalinechemist]
    #26945651 - 09/20/20 07:49 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It’s far more likely no vaccine will be authorized for use by the FDA by November. The poll is loaded to say the least.


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Re: Vaccine by November? [Re: christopera]
    #26945671 - 09/20/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Its the end of september, november? Wishful thinking.


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Re: Vaccine by November? [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26945742 - 09/20/20 08:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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christopera said:
It’s far more likely no vaccine will be authorized for use by the FDA by November. The poll is loaded to say the least.




That’s why I posted “If a vaccine...”


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Re: Vaccine by November? [Re: Skellies]
    #26945806 - 09/20/20 09:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

CDC just said it's going to be at least 1 year from now.


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Re: Vaccine by November? [Re: sbulking] * 3
    #26945826 - 09/20/20 09:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

sbulking said:
Coronavirus is the biggest scam pushed onto the public. Solely for purpose of egomaniacs gaining power.




What's the scam exactly?  Just because some people take advantage of the circumstances, that doesn't mean the virus doesn't have a real human impact.


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Re: Vaccine by November? [Re: qman]
    #26945848 - 09/20/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:
CDC just said it's going to be at least 1 year from now.




Have a link? I thought they said it could take a year for there to be enough supply to consider the general population vaccinated. They’re telling states to prepare in case two vaccines are ready this year.


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Re: Vaccine by November? [Re: Skellies]
    #26945860 - 09/20/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Vaccine by November? [Re: mescalinechemist] * 2
    #26945862 - 09/20/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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mescalinechemist said:
Totally agree sbulking. Biggest scam of this 21st century





If COVID is a scam my aunt fell for it.

R.I.P Aunt J.

Full life support was not enough.


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Re: Vaccine by November? [Re: qman]
    #26945960 - 09/20/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield told a Senate panel he expects vaccinations to begin in November or December, but in limited quantities with those most in need getting the first doses, such as health-care workers. He said it will take about “six to nine months” to get the entire American public vaccinated.

“If you’re asking me when is it going to be generally available to the American public so we can begin to take advantage of vaccine to get back to our regular life, I think we’re probably looking at third ... late second quarter, third quarter 2021,” he told the U.S. Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies.




Yeah, so it may be released this year, but there won't be enough for everyone right out the gate if it is. It would be rationed to people in high risk populations first. He's talking about the general population.


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Re: Vaccine by November? [Re: Asante] * 3
    #26946110 - 09/20/20 12:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Asante said:
If COVID is a scam my aunt fell for it.

R.I.P Aunt J.

Full life support was not enough.



My secretary's father just died from it.  And my secretary's oxygen level was so low when she got to emergency (50% she said), I'm concerned about permanent damage to her heart, kidneys and/or brain.

I guess they fell for it too.  :shrug:


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Re: Vaccine by November? [Re: christopera]
    #26946230 - 09/20/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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christopera said:
It’s far more likely no vaccine will be authorized for use by the FDA by November. The poll is loaded to say the least.




That and he couldn't spell too. I didn't participate.


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Re: Vaccine by November? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26946308 - 09/20/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Quote:

Asante said:
If COVID is a scam my aunt fell for it.

R.I.P Aunt J.

Full life support was not enough.



My secretary's father just died from it.  And my secretary's oxygen level was so low when she got to emergency (50% she said), I'm concerned about permanent damage to her heart, kidneys and/or brain.

I guess they fell for it too.  :shrug:




Low oxygen saturation like that happens at high altitude as well.

Interestingly...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article242840681.html

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People who live at high altitudes with low-oxygen levels might be more protected from coronavirus infection and the adverse effects it causes than people living at sea level, a recent study says.

The team of international researchers says the findings can aid the development of coronavirus treatments for people living in coastal and other lowlands at or below sea level, potentially saving them from harsh symptoms from COVID-19 — the disease the coronavirus causes — early on.




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Re: Vaccine by November? [Re: koods]
    #26946512 - 09/20/20 04:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I think when scientists are relatively sure they are ready to roll out to the public we need to take a very very close look at how the vaccine effects First Responders and some essential workers. I do know that most doctors, vaccine Developers and specialists around the world on vaccines say that it don't be available by the convient date of election date and if it is it's not to be trusted until proven. I made a thread about 9 pharmaceutical companies that are spearheading the vaccine trials and after a human patient got real sick they all came out with an unprecedented unilateral statement saying they won't be influenced by politics to rush vaccine trials.

They are making good headway which is great for humanity  but vaccines have been rushed before to disastrous consequences. One study in the UK thought they were getting close to a breakthrough on cancer, rushed the trials and found out the treatment was attacking and destroying their healthy cells 40 people were in the trial at least 15 were most seriously effecting with limbs falling off, eroding in blood bad bad shit. Only a few survived and none survived without life long medical problems.


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Re: Vaccine by November? [Re: sbulking]
    #26946927 - 09/20/20 09:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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sbulking said:
Coronavirus is the biggest scam pushed onto the public. Solely for purpose of egomaniacs gaining power.



Bingo.  Chyna let it loose because of Trump's trade deals and are hoping it costs him his second term.  Trump has been hard on them and rightfully so.


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Re: Vaccine by November? [Re: meltdowner]
    #26946931 - 09/20/20 09:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Last I checked, China would prefer a Trump presidancy.

At least Xi Jinping knows how to play Trump.


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Re: Vaccine by November? [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #26946967 - 09/20/20 10:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Very sorry for the losses. I believe it is real but just like other influenza viruses, viral (and bacterial pneumonia) can be deadly to certain individuals. My complaints are with the massive politicization of this virus and the draconian measures that are far out of proportion to the human cost.


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Re: Vaccine by November? [Re: sbulking]
    #26946971 - 09/20/20 10:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

So, in other words:

The economy is not for normal people, normal people are to die for the economy.


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Re: Vaccine by November? [Re: meltdowner]
    #26946973 - 09/20/20 10:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

sbulking said:
Coronavirus is the biggest scam pushed onto the public. Solely for purpose of egomaniacs gaining power.



Bingo.  Chyna let it loose because of Trump's trade deals and are hoping it costs him his second term.  Trump has been hard on them and rightfully so.




You're joking right?  The US trade deficits INCREASE under Trump with China and most other nations.

Do you know what would be hard on China?  Banning all imports from China, that never happened. It only increased, how is that being hard on China?


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Re: Vaccine by November? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26946976 - 09/20/20 10:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The economy is how we have the standard of living that we have at current. How we eat and how we have a roof over our heads.


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Re: Vaccine by November? [Re: qman]
    #26946990 - 09/20/20 10:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:
Quote:

meltdowner said:
Quote:

sbulking said:
Coronavirus is the biggest scam pushed onto the public. Solely for purpose of egomaniacs gaining power.



Bingo.  Chyna let it loose because of Trump's trade deals and are hoping it costs him his second term.  Trump has been hard on them and rightfully so.




You're joking right?  The US trade deficits INCREASE under Trump with China and most other nations.

Do you know what would be hard on China?  Banning all imports from China, that never happened. It only increased, how is that being hard on China?




Banning imports wouldn't even be all that hard on China. China, unlike the US, has been developing their middle class, not to mention alternate sources of income in terms of the EU.

An analogy I keep coming back to, is the idea of a relay race. or even a regular race, with no finish line. Track just keeps going and going. The US thinks it's about to hit the finishing stretch and is burning all the energy is has, by cannibalizing the middle class. China understands that the track keeps going, and is focusing on fundamentals.

This is why we will lose. We are ahead right now, but we are slowing down. China is behind, but it is not slowing down.

Until we realize that international imports, or even trade deficits, are not inherently bad (though they can be), we will continue to lose.


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Re: Vaccine by November? [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #26946996 - 09/20/20 10:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Even with a growing middle class, China needs to export to the US. Do you really think their wages and currency are enough to make up the consumption from the US?  That's fantasy land at this point.

The Establishment has NO issues with the US trade deficits, they get fucking rich off of it.  Few very people are against the US trade deficits, both R's and D's think it's wonderful, why is that?  :rofl2:  Wall Street also thinks it's wonderful. Trump doesn't even mention trade deficits anymore, why is that?


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Re: Vaccine by November? [Re: qman]
    #26947004 - 09/20/20 10:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Even with a growing middle class, China needs to export to the US. Do you really think their wages and currency are enough to make up the consumption from the US?  That's fantasy land at this point.

The Establishment has NO issues with the US trade deficits, they get fucking rich off of it.  Few very people are against the US trade deficits, both R's and D's think it's wonderful, why is that?  :rofl2:  Wall Street also thinks it's wonderful. Trump doesn't even mention trade deficits anymore, why is that?




I agree that China still would prefer US consumption to buffer their own middle class. Their wages (for the middle class) are more than enough to make up the consumption. The only concern is whether they have enough middle class consumers. Currency doesn't matter. It actually matters even less when it comes to domestic consumption.

No, and most people have no problem with US trade deficits. Personally, I don't have any issues with a US trade deficit, because trade deficits are measured in primary and secondary economics. Economics is not a zero sum game. The US is primarily focused on tertiary and quaternary economics, though we recently ceded quaternary economics to China as well, as of 2018. Tertiary economics, i.e. service based economics, such as your barista or your waiter, are perfectly valid ways of making money. They don't require trade. They can be used to create a middle class that operates in a consumption based system without producing anything, if they are paid an adequate wage. Of course, paying tertiary economics an adequate wage is, let's say, "difficult", in the current ideal of the US.

Same with quaternary economics. Ain't nobody got time for science, or R+D. Well, I guess China does, which is why they've been beating the US since 2018.

We are becoming a country of baristas. Soon, our entire economy will be based on Chinese businessmen stopping by the US for a cup of coffee on their way to work.


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