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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: sporecap]
    #26944095 - 09/19/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I'm approaching 6 weeks on some of my oats colonizing from a wedge. Thats for jars that I haven't broken up. Bags seems to be taking 4-5 weeks even when being broken up at 30%.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Spirit-Crusher]
    #26944220 - 09/19/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I just found a place with 50# white proso millet for 12.99... That's a great price for millet in general I think, but in the bay???

That is awesome. Nocc point city here I come! :hamsterdance:


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Funky Monkey]
    #26944262 - 09/19/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I got 100lb for 20 bucks cause owner man forgot the price for a couple minutes amd hooked me up before he looked it up :rofl: I've made it stretch. Got 80lb still.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Failboat]
    #26944640 - 09/19/20 05:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Is it bad if theres quite a few of these? I think most of them were already out of the hulls before the soak.



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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Doctor Mario]
    #26944692 - 09/19/20 06:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

IMHO.... oats would be 1000x better without the hulls.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: LotKid]
    #26944696 - 09/19/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

No shit? Why do you think that?


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Doctor Mario] * 1
    #26944703 - 09/19/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Because then by weight they would be denser and heavier. More like wheat and rye.

A bushel of rye weighs 56 lb. A bushel and a half of oats weighs 48 lb.

volume vs weight


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: LotKid]
    #26944730 - 09/19/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Well, damn. The more you know... thanks dude.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Funky Monkey]
    #26944860 - 09/19/20 08:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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There have been mentions and a couple write ups about a method like this one below, but it's nice to have a video too, and this guy clearly has a working system.

You wanna talk about simple? This is what I am trying next:



I have never seen such an easy tek, and this guy grows SHIT TONS of mushrooms so I think it's probably gonna be Gucci :thumbup:

No wasted water, no extra steps, no rinse no dry, no boil, no nada.

I am ALL about streamlining and removing steps if it works :rockon:

What do you guys think?




I couldn't watch the video, but from the context, I'm assuming it's a NSNS millet tek? That's what I started on. When I was turned on to oats, I did a NSNS oats prep too. I've never boiled soaked etc any grains. The trick with it is, and this is what anyone doing large runs of jars might not like, is the post PC shaking. The moisture doesn't come out uniform right away, so as soon as the popper drops on the PC, you pull the jars and shake em. Then do it again a couple times as they cool down. The moisture distributes, and the grains are moist inside and dry outside. This is especially important with oats. There's more shaking involved. To me though, it's worth it. Measure water, grain, gypsum, shake. I was spoiled on that tek from the get go.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: FlufferNutter]
    #26944915 - 09/19/20 08:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

So if oats do fine being out of the hull, what makes burst oats bad?


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: LotKid]
    #26944938 - 09/19/20 09:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Because then by weight they would be denser and heavier. More like wheat and rye.

A bushel of rye weighs 56 lb. A bushel and a half of oats weighs 48 lb.

volume vs weight



Do you find yield to correlate with the greater mass given the same volume of spawn? My bottom line for oats has often been availability and I dislike birdseed, although a NSNS on corn free birdseed oughta be convenient enough.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Doctor Mario]
    #26944945 - 09/19/20 09:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I havent read this whole thread but I'll agree with what others  have said. Oats aren't the greatest from a wedge but are better suited for g2g. Use your premium grain for masters and expand to oats.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Failboat]
    #26944984 - 09/19/20 09:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I much prefer WBF over oats. WBF is my 3rd fav grain behind rye and wheat.

I find yield to correlate to weight over volume.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: LotKid]
    #26945018 - 09/19/20 09:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I'd love to try wheat but its not available in my region.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Grimsweeper]
    #26945029 - 09/19/20 10:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

My g2g with oats is doing alright. Mind you it started as oats.  I still think my problem is moisture. Maybe even cook it at hard boil to break that hard hull up a little. Just did my first 50# load of rye in almost 6 months. So nice to be back. I hope my cultures are ready get back to work.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: LotKid]
    #26945035 - 09/19/20 10:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Fuck oats, Rye is superior. Just kidding. He didn't actually say that.




Just found a post where you linked some winterized rye. Shit's kind of expensive. Well, only if compared to the price of oats. I dropped a wedge to oats tonight but im gonna get a few bags of that rye and use it for masters from now on. Why are oats not good for masters but good for g2g? I hope I'm not asking too many noob questions. I'll follow the advice of the pro's but I want to know why I'm following it. I was never big on just doing what I'm told. I like to know why I'm being told to do so.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Doctor Mario]
    #26945063 - 09/19/20 10:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Fuck oats, Rye is superior. Just kidding. He didn't actually say that.




Just found a post where you linked some winterized rye. Shit's kind of expensive. Well, only if compared to the price of oats. I dropped a wedge to oats tonight but im gonna get a few bags of that rye and use it for masters from now on. Why are oats not good for masters but good for g2g? I hope I'm not asking too many noob questions. I'll follow the advice of the pro's but I want to know why I'm following it. I was never big on just doing what I'm told. I like to know why I'm being told to do so.



I've tried oats many different ways - the path I've found most effective for the end result for oats is dump them in a hard boil and continue the boil for 10 minutes covered. You won't burst any grains this way but they won't be as hydrated as superior grains like rye. So working from a single wedge your colonization time will be slower and sometimes may fail before the grain dries out. For g2g it doesn't matter you'll beat the curve.

That being said I still do use oats for masters because I have it so readily available but I'd prefer to use a superior grain when I plan it better.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Grimsweeper]
    #26945071 - 09/19/20 10:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the advice. Well, hopefully this jar does decent. BTW, the shroom in your signature with its mouth hanging open looks like it wants to ask me for a cigarette. Shoulda put some googly eyes on it.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Doctor Mario]
    #26945079 - 09/19/20 10:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks I love that pic totally unedited just good timing.

Here's a current oat master from a single wedge at a little over a month so it'll be 5-6 weeks total to expand.



If you have the ability to work with other grains you'll speed up the process with this prep method.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Grimsweeper]
    #26945090 - 09/19/20 11:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

😲 Isn't a month excessive time for a jar to colonize? I thought it was more around 3 weeks for full colonization. Does RW normally take that long?


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