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Confirm atl7 outdoor
    #26944560 - 09/19/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Habitat:
Garden patch- clay soil amended with rabbit & goat manure, grass clippings, grass hay, fir shavings
Overall area is open grassland, bottom lands flood plains, oak Savannah
PNW, I know these aren’t native here, but I placed the myc, and would not be the first time I’ve had these pop outdoors here somewhat accidentally

Gills: start same color as flesh- pale tan-tawny yellow
Mature greyish to brown, slight purple tinge
Attached

Stem:
~2-10cm long, 2-4mm diameter, pale tan-tawny yellow, mostly smooth minor fibrils, hollow, thin, equal, enlarged slightly at base, rhizoids attached

Cap:
~1-3cm, light golden caramel when wet, fading tawny yellow>off-white, viscid when wet, smooth, convex becoming nearly flat

Spore print color:
Brown, looks slight tinge of purple to me

Bruising:
Nothing definitive yet...

Other information:
YES! If there’s anything I know about these mushrooms it’s that distinctive sour cucumber melon smell- these have it!

It’s been a while y’all! I had some ATL7 going last winter, and had to unfortunately shut down projects before they finished. So I half-assed put them out in the garden, and pretty much forgot about them. I’ve seen the mycelium, and still find chunks of colonized bird seed in the soil. But there’s also about 5 other kinds of mushrooms growing wild in proximity, a couple visually similar, so sometimes I get confused.
I think these been fruiting for half the summer, but wasn’t paying close attention. There are some that look very similar but have rusty spores and annulus and bruise rusty, not viscid. I saw that on half n was like “nope”... tossed them all. But we got some rain now, and was poking around and noticed these lil guys with slimy caps...

I would just like some second eyes on these, they look diff when grown outdoors, and out of place. But they also look diff than how last time I did this outdoors... and there’s definite no go’s in the same patch that I haven’t bothered to I’d yet so just not confident about anything here
Except that atl7 smell lol

I’ll take better pics next time I promise



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Re: Confirm atl7 outdoor [Re: XDX] * 1
    #26944927 - 09/19/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Looks like argocybe


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Re: Confirm atl7 outdoor [Re: XDX]
    #26945053 - 09/19/20 10:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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XDX said:
I would just like some second eyes on these, they look diff when grown outdoors, and out of place. But they also look diff than how last time I did this outdoors... and there’s definite no go’s in the same patch that I haven’t bothered to I’d yet so just not confident about anything here
Except that atl7 smell lol




Do you have pictures from your previous grow?

I also think these initially might look like an Agrocybe species, but I'm not so sure.
Are these pictured ones the first and only ones yet to fruit from this grow?
Are they fruiting at their estimated point of time according to growth parameters?

You should just wait and see what comes up in that spot. I'm not good at cultivation, but
looking at people's pictures of indoor P. galindoi projects... yours do look like they
have similar characters. Do these form sclerotia, and did you try dig for them?


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Re: Confirm atl7 outdoor [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26945241 - 09/20/20 12:39 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Hi thanks for the responses
I may have to check each mushroom more thoroughly

I do believe there is some agrocybe growing in proximity, and quite possible I have more than one type of mushroom shown above.

Anglerfish- idk man, I honestly am not the best cultivator, I always try exotics and never have luck fruiting inside. I can clean up the dirtiest agar samples and grow bags and bags of myc, but fruits elude me. Outside sometimes magic happens, but nothing significant, a handful or two of I’m lucky per patch.

So this happened before, looks like 5 yrs ago, I’ll link the thread. I grew truffles, tossed leftover bird seed outside, I think Jan or feb, it was cold and raining. Come around last week of May, was out in the garden, I had dug around and planted veggies already, basically forgot about the atl7. But then I saw this lil tiny juicy cap, it jumped out I saw it and knew right away it was special. I tried to take prints, bruises it looking for blueing, made a post on here. It had the same distinctive smell. But did not turn blue until like next day and dry. Same thing as now, they “felt” right, and smelt right, but were diff looking than had expected. The not blueing really throws me off. Got a light print that checked out, and confirmation from folks here. Ate a few, whoa! That story deserves a thread all its own. But uh yeah definitely active. I picked like 2g per day for bout 2 months, then they petered out.

So they fruited bout 4-5 months after planting outdoors, when temps got warm like upper 80’s, and we had a lot of rain, warm pouring rain, not typical PNW cool misty drizzle. Then it was summer, hot n muggy till everything dried out. I watered the patch, but they dwindled away, never saw them again, til now.

This is a new location, new culture. I put a bunch of spawn out in the garden I think end of April maybe beginning of May- I remembered last time, so I wanted to give it a lil head start to get established before those tropical early summer storms, cause once June hits, we don’t get a drop of rain for sometimes 5 months here, soo wanted to catch the rains. I didn’t get the irrigation set up in this part of the garden till way late like July, so it dried out quite a bit.

There was some earlier fruits I thought were maybe right, but a bit large, and didn’t have the smell, kinda rusty print. I saw more, but figured they were the same. Then I saw some smaller lbm types that looked better, and looking back I think they were it, at least some of them, but idk found some with annulus and rusty spores again, so I figured they were all the same, and again tossed them. but then there was a bunch, like 20 proper sized fruits deep in weeds one day, in this same row of the garden that these guys are fruiting now. I got really excited, idk what happened but something threw me off and I tossed them again. So I pulled those weeds and now this is where they are fruiting, much smaller and not so many...
Dumbass me
I think I figured I’d know without a doubt when they pop forreal. I’m so busy these days, I don’t have time to print and ID every lbm I find. I don’t have a microscope, so after a while my head just kinda spins. Toss them, wait for more better ones.

I have not tried to dig for sclerotia. I plan to dig up some of these garden plants to overwinter in a few weeks, so I will look for sclerotia then.
Though, I can see colonized bird seed chunks all over. I have chickens and gophers doing work too scratching and turning everything. It was all buried at one point. But I see colonized bird seed, and “pseudo-sclerotia” still from where myc condensed on sides of grow bags, it forms like a rind, that stuff is still intact all over in the garden, looks like perlite from a distance, but it’s mycelium chunks. The chickens and gophers aren’t eating the bird seed, surprisingly, at least not in significant amounts. just moving it around. It’s not molded either, amazingly. But then there’s rabbit pellets and hay out there too that already had stuff growing on it, so I can’t tell how much of the myc is atl7 vs everything else. But I repeat, there is healthy intact chunks of atl7 colonized bird seed bout popcorn sized chunks and smaller, like everywhere. The rest idk, but the bird seed is atl7 no doubts.  I dumped like 40-50 lbs of spawn out there, spread across maybe 250-300 sq ft. was not made into a proper “mushroom bed”, but should be plenty of spawn for small area. (I have an SRA bed double this size ~600sqft that I started with just 10lbs spawn.)

Sorry, I’m sure that’s not easy narrative to follow.

Well anyway, it is now also about 4-5 months past when I dumped the spawn bags at this spot. We have had strange weather lately, first dust/smog storms from all the fires, 40mph winds. Then darkness from smoke, then temp drops, lot of moisture in the night air, fog dew etc, fall is coming. Then we just got dumped on by pouring thunderstorms, again not typical PNW precipitation, much more like gulf coast. And now theres moisture in the air again, so days are humid, but a lil cool. Not exactly the same conditions they fruited for me before, but I Think they can take wide range of conditions. Come to think of it, this culture fruited on plates in my mini fridge at like 40F...

Here’s a link to the patch 5 yrs ago:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21864702

And the relevant pics from that post- sorry I lost more habitat photos:



You know, the more I look at these old pics, the more they do look like what I have now
Just I remember them differently


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Re: Confirm atl7 outdoor [Re: XDX]
    #26945669 - 09/20/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Looking at these 5 year old pictures tells me that the ones in your first post are something entirely different.

Also, given that you're in the PNW as opposed to the warmer climate where the P. galindoi and related species
are endemic, I guess it is no wonder why your cultivation project didn't pan out properly.

But please keep an eye on the patch to see if maybe something exciting happens.


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