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Canning Grain for Later?
    #26944615 - 09/19/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I can can a lot of grain that I can't use. Does anyone actually can grain jars for use later? Like open up, drop a wedge in and swap the lid for a filter? If so can I keep them like canned food and ready to go?


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Re: Canning Grain for Later? [Re: skymeat]
    #26944648 - 09/19/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

i dont i make shit as i need it


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Re: Canning Grain for Later? [Re: skymeat]
    #26944669 - 09/19/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It won't work like that because grain is never 100% sterilized. If you stored without inoculating, the bacteria would just build back up to levels that would out compete the mycelium.


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Re: Canning Grain for Later? [Re: One of Us]
    #26944673 - 09/19/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Why wouldn't it be sterilized? I can fish and meat that are just fine a year later. What's different about canning Grain?


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Re: Canning Grain for Later? [Re: skymeat]
    #26944687 - 09/19/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The main difference is you can meats in liquid, and with minimal air.

Because of all the air pockets in grain jars, sterilizing is a bit more complicated. I'll try and find the thread that covers this in great detail.


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Re: Canning Grain for Later? [Re: skymeat]
    #26944728 - 09/19/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Procedurally, It would work fine, assuming your seal is good and your sterile conditions for transfer are on point. TD also has a very valid point, in that freshly prepared, sterile spawn material ideally should be used ASAP.
  Now, on the other hand, I used to have pretty limited times to fire up the PC. So, I would have to make the most of a cook day. I'd do as many jars of grain, sub, agar plates, etc as I could in a day, trying to make enough materials to work with for a couple weeks. I'd can the subs, foil wrap and jar utensils (syringes, needles, various other bits that need to be sterile) and do grain jars with SHIPs and foil. Put all the stuff in small cardboard boxes, tape it shut.
  TBH I've occasionally had PC'd jars of grain, with the ship lids and the foil still on in cardboard boxes, sitting for more than a couple weeks (by accident!) with no issue.
  In fact, before I had to pack up for a, what turned into 5 year, hiatus, I had a few grain jars that just got packed away. I was making another move a year or so later and I found them 3 of the 4 were just dried oats in a jar. I used one piece lids, so the other tamming out could've been a lid fault. What you will run into with vented lids over time is moisture loss, which would not be an issue with canned jars. (Just recently got all my gear back out of storage, and theres about a half dozen canned sub jars in the mix. I bet they're still good too!:wink:)
  One reason I did not 'can' my grain jars,even anticipating a longer time between cook days, is because of the vacuum effect. Even if you are in an SAB, when you struggle with that lid and finally crack it, and it wooooshes to break vacuum, that's a big (and avoidable) vector possibility. I stuck with SHIPS,foil,closed dry container, 2 week max idle time. That was my experience though. Mileage may vary.

Bottom line:
Yes, it's possible, and workable. 
No, it is not ideal, and has potential for problems.
Yes, you should adapt to your situation as best as you can.
Proceed with discretion.


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Re: Canning Grain for Later? [Re: FlufferNutter]
    #26944789 - 09/19/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Good stuff in the last few replies. And it makes sense. If there is anything in depth about it I'd love some links. As it is I'll likely do a run of jars and see how they age. Pretty easy to test one a month for a year.not the best test...but hobby


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