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Liquid culture
    #26944402 - 09/19/20 03:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Hey guys,

  I made liquid culture with a PE ms syringe  a few months ago and inoculated two 3 pound bags.  I read to use 7-10 CCs so I used around 7.  The one bag grew a thick white mold all around it.  It didn’t seem like mycelium.  It looked more like a marshmallow consistency.  I let it sit for about a month to see if any fruit grew just in case but nothing so I tossed it.  The other one was just wet looking all the time and nothing ever happened. 

My liquid culture has thick mycelium in it and I put a few drops on a Petri dish to let it grow out first to make sure it didn’t have any contamination since I am a newb and used a MS syringe to inoculate the Liquid nutrients to make the LC. 

I think the issue was too much moisture in the bags maybe?

So, about a week ago I used the same LC and only used 2 CCs this time and the bag isn’t showing any growth at all.  Just a few wet grains.  I also put a few drops on a Petri dish again and it is growing on that with no issues but not my Rye grain bag I got from a reputable place. 

Any ideas on what I’m doing wrong?


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: Surfingmycelium] * 1
    #26944405 - 09/19/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

i would forget about any thing u heard about lc learn agar :thumbup:


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: tripdawg420] * 1
    #26944420 - 09/19/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Well not necessarily. If you're going to make LC, use a clean culture from agar. Not a spore syringe. Also, sterilize your own grains. You're paying way too much to have someone do effortless work for you.


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: The Fresh Prints]
    #26944424 - 09/19/20 03:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

lc has to many contam vectors if u was to leaen agar and use a wedge to innoc a gm and them g2g is a way better way of growing
but yes if ur going to use lc use a wedge then u wight as well g2g:thumbup:


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: The Fresh Prints]
    #26944427 - 09/19/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Oh I know.  And the place I’m getting it from always sends me 2 pound bags rather then 3 and I have to email them and they apologize and send me more 2 pound bags to compensate.  Lol.  But anyway, I can’t find a pressure canner right now.  They have disappeared off the face of the earth.  Lol. 

I actually made another LC with an agar piece from a GT clone.  It was the 3rd transfer, so hopefully that will work out. 

I just don’t understand why it doesn’t work.


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: Surfingmycelium]
    #26944429 - 09/19/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

u did all that w out a pc ur a monster :headbang3:


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: tripdawg420]
    #26944437 - 09/19/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

No.  Lol.  I bought the liquid culture solution already made off the same site.  Very expensive for basically sugar water.  I got the agar dishes off amazon.  All I can do until a find a large pressure cooker


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: Surfingmycelium]
    #26944440 - 09/19/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

oh ok have u check amazon for a pc i just seen them at walmart the other day or truevalue or rual king


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: tripdawg420]
    #26944449 - 09/19/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Well I need a larger one.  Like a canner size.  16-23 qt range.  Those are the ones that are hard to get right now.


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: Surfingmycelium]
    #26944454 - 09/19/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

that sux man :sad:


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: tripdawg420]
    #26944459 - 09/19/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I know.  Just throwing money away until then. lol


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: Surfingmycelium]
    #26944466 - 09/19/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

:money:


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: tripdawg420]
    #26944470 - 09/19/20 04:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yep.  Trying to learn so there’s a lot of trial and error, which costs money.  Lol.  But gotta do what you gotta do.  For now anyway.


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: Surfingmycelium]
    #26944474 - 09/19/20 04:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I actually put the rest of my agar dish into another bag and all the wedges stuck to the sides and it was super annoying.  I had to cut a slit in the bag and drop them in then fold the slit and gorilla tape around it 😂.  Let’s see if it contams out.  Did do it in a SAB so 🤞


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: Surfingmycelium]
    #26944476 - 09/19/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

:mushroom2:


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: tripdawg420]
    #26944544 - 09/19/20 04:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

So liquid culture isn’t a good idea I’m guessing?


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: Surfingmycelium]
    #26944553 - 09/19/20 04:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Its a great idea if... IF you do it right.


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: Surfingmycelium]
    #26944571 - 09/19/20 05:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Some swear by it, some don't see the point. There's more than one way to skin a cat. A2G > G2G works great, and its pretty fool proof. LC is fun because you can expand it like crazy fairly quickly, but you can't see contams until you put it to grain or test it on agar.

I personally don't bother with LC until I have a solid clone culture that I want to expand.


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: The Fresh Prints]
    #26944581 - 09/19/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I put it on agar twice and no contams.  Just don’t know why it isn’t doing anything on the grain.  How many CCs do you guys use?


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: Surfingmycelium]
    #26944585 - 09/19/20 05:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I use 3-5 cc's per quart of grain and then shake it up.

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Re: Liquid culture [Re: The Fresh Prints]
    #26944593 - 09/19/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I have 2 pound bags.  What would be good for that?


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: Surfingmycelium]
    #26944748 - 09/19/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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I have 2 pound bags.  What would be good for that?




A trash can.

But seriously, assuming it’s a 2 pound grain bag you likely want to spawn that to a coir verm sub at a 1:3 ratio. I would suggest a 40ish quart mono would be the ticket. Or make a larger mono and use both bags on it, however that carries more risk.


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26944879 - 09/19/20 08:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Here is some LC I made with water, honey, and BRF. inoculated with clean agar plates.


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: seand04]
    #26944965 - 09/19/20 09:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Are you dropping whole plates into your LC??


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: The Fresh Prints]
    #26944978 - 09/19/20 09:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Are you dropping whole plates into your LC??



Thats what I was looking at lol.


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: polyflakes]
    #26944990 - 09/19/20 09:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yea, I have a bunch :aweohyou:


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: seand04]
    #26946663 - 09/20/20 06:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

How many CCs do you use?  I don’t know why mine isn’t colonizing.  I also put an entire agar plate in one and the same thing.  Nothing.  It’s been a week.  Maybe it just takes a while?  When I did my first grow with a MS syringe it was like gang busters right away.


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: Surfingmycelium]
    #26946730 - 09/20/20 07:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You used too many CC’s


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: mangaka911]
    #26946744 - 09/20/20 07:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I only used 2 this last time.  Is 2 ccs too much for a two pound grain bag?


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: Surfingmycelium]
    #26946748 - 09/20/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

2-3 CC’s will be enough to colonize as mycelium travels fast


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: mangaka911]
    #26946761 - 09/20/20 07:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah.  But it hasn’t done anything in a week.  I would think it was quicker than spores.  I don’t know.  I guess I’ll keep waiting.


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: Surfingmycelium]
    #26946765 - 09/20/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If the LC is contamed or the colony in it lacks vigor it can be slower or an utter failure. If it’s axenic and I’m confident with it it will usually recover in 24-48 hours.


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26946814 - 09/20/20 07:56 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I put it on agar first to make sure it wasn’t contaminated since I used a ms syringe to inoculate it.  I now realize that was a newb mistake but it grew out without contams in the agar.  I shook up the bag today to see if there was any growth in the center and nothing but a few wet rye berries at the bottom.  I don’t know.  Maybe it’s a failure.  I’ll just let it sit and see what happens.  Tomorrow will be 7 days.


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: Surfingmycelium]
    #26946820 - 09/20/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If the LC didn't recover after 3 days I dont think you'll see anything. Good news is you have clean growth on agar. Make a transfer if necessary or just chop it up and drop some wedges to grain. Heck, drop a little bit in some fresh LC broth if you want to.


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Re: Liquid culture [Re: The Fresh Prints]
    #26947094 - 09/21/20 12:19 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

My jars are opaque after 2 days of shaking my LC is raw sugar,honey, and BRF, food coloring.


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