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Re: topography from the higher dimensions - what does it mean to square the circle? [Re: BrendanFlock] 1
#26941821 - 09/18/20 06:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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maybe we need an appreciation thread to the alienthatategod and burped too much gas.
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Re: topography from the higher dimensions - what does it mean to square the circle? [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#26942308 - 09/18/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Cause and effect don't rely on time. Tje big bang happened because a conscious observer could exist in it. Universes unable to support consciousness in essence don't exist. So every time life happens it's reverse causality. At some point nothing split apart into negative and positive something and eventually life happened to observe itself.
Hm no I'm going to disagree with that. The universe isn't existent due to sentient consciousness. Yes, without sentient consciousness such a universe wouldn't have an experiencer within it. It may give new meaning to what constitutes a universe from the perspective of a non-local force that exists outside of it.
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Re: topography from the higher dimensions - what does it mean to square the circle? [Re: Yellow Pants] 2
#26942441 - 09/18/20 01:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Atoms and molecules are not real things. They're observations that's as real as they get. Every particle in the world/universe fits into an infinitesimally small point called your mind.
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#26942457 - 09/18/20 01:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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For instance if humans find another universe exists with no conscious observers in it. Then it still exists in the framework of our own universe. Where our universe is just like one tree in a forest. We think our tree is the entire universe but its the multiverse thats our universe.
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#26942511 - 09/18/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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please do, amazingly some people are completely full of crap.
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Re: topography from the higher dimensions - what does it mean to square the circle? [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#26942526 - 09/18/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Atoms and molecules are not real things. They're observations that's as real as they get. Every particle in the world/universe fits into an infinitesimally small point called your mind.
So a molecule or a chair for that matter does not have any existence separate from the conscious experience you have of it?
I know that's as real as they get for you or me but I don't think that's where the limits of reality, any reality, stops.
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Re: topography from the higher dimensions - what does it mean to square the circle? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26942534 - 09/18/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: maybe we need an appreciation thread to the alienthatategod and burped too much gas.
although some seem to enjoy it, rectal inflation is lethal!
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Re: topography from the higher dimensions - what does it mean to square the circle? [Re: thealienthatategod] 1
#26942559 - 09/18/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wondered who read The Onion.
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Re: topography from the higher dimensions - what does it mean to square the circle? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26942580 - 09/18/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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its the equivalent of the tree falling in the woods dilemma for physicists -
it's impossible for the mutually interacting perspectives that define space to make views of themselves that are NOTHING.
for space to be absent of any object, it would have to be fully outside of the system of the interacting perspectives.
if you were to reduce what is possible to nothing, what is left is the inverse of infinite limitations.
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Re: topography from the higher dimensions - what does it mean to square the circle? [Re: thealienthatategod] 1
#26942811 - 09/18/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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So is space absent of any object without interjecting perspectives?
A dirt road doesn't have a perspective then? It becomes nothingness without an interjecting perspective.
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Re: topography from the higher dimensions - what does it mean to square the circle? [Re: Yellow Pants]
#26943652 - 09/19/20 07:23 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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yes, it appears that reality is fully contingent on perspective.
is consciousness or energy fundamental? or are they one whole?
from a higher dimensional information state, there is no division in the distinction between physical and non-physical.
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#26943750 - 09/19/20 09:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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How can you think of consciousness in the same class as energy and matter if you have no definition for consciousness?
is this a trinity for you? why?
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#26943770 - 09/19/20 09:31 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Consciousness is all that exists. It makes big bangs. It makes particles. Sunrises and sunsets. A planet to stand on. A body that perceives physics in order to have a fruitful experience. We think the dream is real and thus we are the conscious observer. And then we think further well who's experiencing my experience. Me of course but where am I. In my body of course. Somewhere between the ears and behind the eyes probably, right kind of feels that way. There's no one observing the observations. All that exist is the observer. And that observer is everything including things "outside themselves"
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#26943857 - 09/19/20 10:42 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: topography from the higher dimensions - what does it mean to square the circle? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26943910 - 09/19/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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to articulate the answer to such a question, we would first need to be able to grasp any difference between consciousness and energy and matter.
space and matter are continuous as they are just different aspects of a higher order.
each point of consciousness represents a seemingly infinite, although finite probable outcome to its own unique reality.
different qualities of consciousness can be defined by unique frequencies, that have distinctive channel capacities.
the greater the capacity for a perspective to communicate signals, the more information it will transfer. language and understanding are limiting here as this could take place at a cellular, organ, body, galaxy...etc perspective.
reality is only physical or non-physical relative to perspective of the observer. we are only conscious of the material surroundings that we are aware of. in this sense, the subjective first person experience and perspective of the world is an illusion, and by illusion i mean, the difference between what we perceive and what we see. in this sense, does consciousness even really exist? also, in this sense, if consciousness doesn’t exist, then it can’t be defined by physical and material terminology. what we imagine or conceive to be our first-person perception versus the world of “out there” is ultimately an unreal distinction.
i just woke up from a lucid dream or i caught myself inbetween my lucid awareness in the dream and the feeling of my body in my bed. i wasn't able to keep enough awareness in the dream, and i lost control of my body in the dream and was spinning in circles. as i woke up/and then almost fell back into the dream - my body vibrations were so intense - when this happens, i think there is an earthquake happening in this reality every time. i am literally just a bunch of vibrations at this point. thought i would share this, as i am just coming out of this experience, and it relates to the consciousness/energy topic.
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Re: topography from the higher dimensions - what does it mean to square the circle? [Re: thealienthatategod]
#26944007 - 09/19/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would say things happen in consciousness. Consciousness being attributed to the dark abyss where everything arises from. It is the negative to the positive that is substance. Our Sun for example has it's own substance. To assert that it's existence depends on the existence of a perceiving entity makes no sense to me. I like to think I am open for persuasion however. The Sun therefore can be perceived by a perceiving entity to whatever extent that entity can perceive things that have substance.
Consciousness as the awareness of substance. Awareness not as an actual thing. Simply the presence surrounding the substance.
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Re: topography from the higher dimensions - what does it mean to square the circle? [Re: Yellow Pants]
#26944135 - 09/19/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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A, by the time you write this
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thealienthatategod said:... each point of consciousness represents a seemingly infinite, although finite probable outcome to its own unique reality. ...
you have lost your audience, because I have never seen a point of consciousness, or a definition of one. What do you mean b a point of consciousness?
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Yellow Pants said: ...It is the negative to the positive that is substance...
Are you forgetting that this is the definition of empty space.
Naturally people develop their own cosmologies that fill in for what is not yet understood.
It helps to use words with consistent meaning, and not to use words that mean nothing at all, or words which have become idiosyncratic nicknames for personal psychedelic teddy bears.
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Re: topography from the higher dimensions - what does it mean to square the circle? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26944194 - 09/19/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: A, by the time you write this
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thealienthatategod said:... each point of consciousness represents a seemingly infinite, although finite probable outcome to its own unique reality. ...
you have lost your audience, because I have never seen a point of consciousness, or a definition of one. What do you mean b a point of consciousness?
and Yellow, when you say this
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Yellow Pants said: ...It is the negative to the positive that is substance...
Are you forgetting that this is the definition of empty space.
Naturally people develop their own cosmologies that fill in for what is not yet understood.
It helps to use words with consistent meaning, and not to use words that mean nothing at all, or words which have become idiosyncratic nicknames for personal psychedelic teddy bears.
i apologize for my liguistic incompetance, but, explaining something thats seemingly infinite can be crude, although there are numerous examples within mathematics.
take pi for instance, an infinite (endless) non-repeating numeral, that can be envisioned by a finite number of points along the tangent to the curve.
each point representing a seemingless infinite although finite probable outcome to its unique reality.
of course, trying to use language to talk about something that doesn't even exist in the materalist sense is constraining!
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Re: topography from the higher dimensions - what does it mean to square the circle? [Re: thealienthatategod]
#26944268 - 09/19/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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then you are not saying that consciousness is the third item in a trinity that is based upon understanding the duo of matter and energy; because we were not talking about math and the circle here.
If something is so real that it stands with matter (composed of particles, and regularly encountered in everything we see and do) and energy (composed of waves, and regularly used to make machines do work) then you must be able to get a grip on it if you want to say something meaningful.
switching the topic to pi is not going to slice it.
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Re: topography from the higher dimensions - what does it mean to square the circle? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26944316 - 09/19/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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it is principally via language that humans try to make sense of the world. language emphasizes constraint and subjection. trying to delineate a point in the abstract, is like pinning an invisible thumbtack into a cloud.
we make distinctions between matter and energy, but they are the same thing. we create distinctions between the two, because we don't actually know what either is, and our perception indicates a division.
all boundaries are only defined by seemingly evident, and approximate and arbitrary confines. these curtains restrict portions within a system, as well as define discrete systems.
we only distinguish the physical from the metaphysical because we believe we observe an apparent separation. being given possession of a material frame, that acts as an enclosed pen, does nothing but further this apparent separation.
i brought up the circle, because, the circle is an indeterminate geometrical function with an infinite pi parameter. a best estimate solution. what humans typically conceive as consciousness is nonsense, it doesn't exist in any material sense, just like pi!
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