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Re: First flush is weak [Re: Niffla]
    #19564774 - 02/14/14 04:25 AM (10 years, 4 days ago)

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shaymisco said:
Not giving us much to go on... but sounds like a moisture issue or maybe genetic.




My casings are 50/50 verm/peat, Ecuador strain. I FAE probably 6 to 8 times a day on average, and have been misting just once a day. I'm guessing that the lack of misting has been the issue. I guess I was so worried about overdoing it (and causing aborts) that my stupid ass under did it and now...aborts anyway :facepalm:

I'm a freaking moron.

And thanks, Liquid. I'd really hate to pull all of these at once, because there's still countless immature ones. Ugh.





I don't think there is such a thing as over misting. I have never heard of too much water causing aborts. It is probably a combination of the temperature, genetics, time of year, and hydration levels of your sub.


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: Sockadin]
    #19564809 - 02/14/14 04:48 AM (10 years, 4 days ago)

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the first grow u have where everything clicks is the best.  and makes all the grows before it well worth it.  better to fail first and keep going, than have beginners luck and find that u are lost with a couple failed attempts after a few successful ones, u know?




True, blindingleaf. I was just really amped because things were looking pretty promising and then bam, the veils started breaking early.

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I don't think there is such a thing as over misting. I have never heard of too much water causing aborts. It is probably a combination of the temperature, genetics, time of year, and hydration levels of your sub.




Yeah you're right, probably a combination of factors. I'm going to give it a good soak before this next flush and see if that helps. Also, it has been really unseasonably cold during the first flush. And even indoors here I felt the effects, so I'm sure they did as well. But now the temps have risen considerably. I hope that aids this next flush.


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: Niffla]
    #19564870 - 02/14/14 05:47 AM (10 years, 4 days ago)

right, you can definitely over mist..... and over misting will cause aborts.. that being said it's not very hard to work out when to mist... just stand away from the chamber a little, spray slightly upwards into the air above your FC and give it a second for the mist to fall down to your cakes, you mist until your cakes glisten with a little surface moisture, then fan them until it's evaporated... rinse and repeat :laugh:
I'm pretty sure the whole "misting pins will cause them to abort" comes from cultivation of panaelous cyanescens, where that is 100% truthful


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: Cogsy]
    #19568579 - 02/15/14 01:14 AM (10 years, 3 days ago)

Alright, so in addition to the first pic I provided in this thread -- this was the 2nd wave of the harvest of the first flush. So the two pics in this thread combined are what I got out of the entire first flush.

Mostly aborts. Hell all aborts actually. I even left a handful still in the tubs because they were too small to even worry about. I mean I've plucked home grown mush before, but that was brutal. I twisted at the base and pulled them as best I could but I felt like I completely raped the myc by pulling these mushrooms. Ugh. I patched a little bit for repair purposes but it just feels like I butchered the tubs. Does it always feel this way when you pull em'? Geeeeeez.



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Re: First flush is weak [Re: Niffla]
    #19568615 - 02/15/14 01:28 AM (10 years, 3 days ago)

Don't pull, cut.  Razor blade or shears work nicely cut as low to the sub as you can.  Way better for your sub.


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: abltsandwich]
    #19568622 - 02/15/14 01:29 AM (10 years, 3 days ago)

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Don't pull, cut.  Razor blade or shears work nicely cut as low to the sub as you can.  Way better for your sub.




But will the remaining base of the mushroom that's not pulled out not rot? That was my concern with cutting them...


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: Niffla]
    #19568626 - 02/15/14 01:30 AM (10 years, 3 days ago)

No that doesn't happen.  Cutting is the way to go.  It's cleaner, fruits look nicer, and way better for the substrate.  Pulling = damage = contam vectors.


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: abltsandwich]
    #19568643 - 02/15/14 01:38 AM (10 years, 3 days ago)

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No that doesn't happen.  Cutting is the way to go.  It's cleaner, fruits look nicer, and way better for the substrate.  Pulling = damage = contam vectors.




Daaayyyuummm....seriously? :facepalm:

This grow just gets worse and worse. I hope I didn't fuck em' up beyond repair. Thanks for the tip, though. I'll cut next time.


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: Niffla]
    #19568653 - 02/15/14 01:44 AM (10 years, 3 days ago)

Don't worry man people did and still do T&P all the time, nothing is ruined there's just more risk of contams between this flush and the next.


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: abltsandwich]
    #19568672 - 02/15/14 01:52 AM (10 years, 3 days ago)

Okay cool. Thanks bro I'll hope for the best.


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: abltsandwich]
    #19568693 - 02/15/14 02:00 AM (10 years, 3 days ago)

Even if they're small, it's still mushies.
Cutting will cause the left over base to go black and appear to rot but it's just bruising.
Pulling is fine too.  The contam risk only increases if bare grains are exposed or excessive water pools and sits in the divots.


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: Niffla]
    #19568703 - 02/15/14 02:03 AM (10 years, 3 days ago)

yea, RR and other TC's recommend cutting with a blade.  i still twist and pull sometimes, but my last tub i really tore it up.  never again.


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19568714 - 02/15/14 02:06 AM (10 years, 3 days ago)

I used plastic doctor's gloves when I pulled em', and then I tried my best to patch up the disturbed areas. Sprinkled some 50/50 in there. Hopefully that repairs it enough without completely raping it.


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: StygianKnight]
    #19568725 - 02/15/14 02:08 AM (10 years, 3 days ago)

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Even if they're small, it's still mushies.





True, bro.





That was my entire haul from the first flush. I guess it could be worse. But certainly not what I was hoping for.


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: Niffla]
    #26943708 - 09/19/20 08:25 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Hey, so I have had this cake for a long time now and I finally picked my first aa+. I had to deal with some cobwebs, so I misted the surface with hydrogen peroxide, and also had to battle with some small spots of green mold due to me putting two different strains in the same FC at different times in their grow. So I took this cake out, used a spoon soaked in iso and scooped out the small green spots and filled the spots with salt to stop any spread, if and when they appeared. Yesterday I decided to put a small amount of bleach in my sprayer and have been spraying the surface to prevent further contamination and the few aa+s that did make it are going to be harvested either tn or tm. My question is, when I dunk it I was planning on dunking in 90% water 10% bleach. Do you think it will produce more mushrooms after its dunked? I am aware hydrogen peroxide kills living mycelium, but it works great if you use it gently and kind of 'spot mist' the web area for anyone else reading.i just got this clump, and the other mushroom and then the rest are all aborts. I ended up tossing the cake I put in the FC with this one because I didn't catch the green mold early enough. Anyways, I'm hoping dunking with diluted bleach will kill the contaminants and allow me to get a 'full flush' this next time. Thoughts?http://files.shroomery.org/files/20-38/052540818-IMG_20200919_091612.jpg


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Re: First flush is weak [Re: Niffla]
    #26943711 - 09/19/20 08:30 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Hey, so I have had this cake for a long time now and I finally picked my first aa+. I had to deal with some cobwebs, so I misted the surface with hydrogen peroxide, and also had to battle with some small spots of green mold due to me putting two different strains in the same FC at different times in their grow. So I took this cake out, used a spoon soaked in iso and scooped out the small green spots and filled the spots with salt to stop any spread, if and when they appeared. Yesterday I decided to put a small amount of bleach in my sprayer and have been spraying the surface to prevent further contamination and the few aa+s that did make it are going to be harvested either tn or tm. My question is, when I dunk it I was planning on dunking in 90% water 10% bleach. Do you think it will produce more mushrooms after its dunked? I am aware hydrogen peroxide kills living mycelium, but it works great if you use it gently and kind of 'spot mist' the web area for anyone else reading.i just got this clump, and the other mushroom and then the rest are all aborts. I ended up tossing the cake I put in the FC with this one because I didn't catch the green mold early enough. Anyways, I'm hoping dunking with diluted bleach will kill the contaminants and allow me to get a 'full flush' this next time. Thoughts?
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