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sgfc question
#26943591 - 09/19/20 06:06 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi guys!
I Birthed 6 cakes a week ago. 4 days ago one of the cakes began to develop green mold. I throw it out and hoped that the last 5 cakes would survive. 3 days ago one of the cakes pinned and that cake is fruiting well but nothing happens to the last 4. My question is if the spores from the green mold might be the reason why the other cakes aren't pinning?
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Moldy cakes do not I f3ct healthy ones. Cakes that are moldy will mold, healthy cakes will fruit. That is if the environment offers the conditions needed for fruit formation/development. It's impossible to know if your issue is environmental or otherwise until you post pics of the substrates and tell us more about the methods used for this grow. Gl
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Re: sgfc question [Re: Mateja]
#26945325 - 09/20/20 01:20 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks, then there should still be Hope. Those are brf cakes stores in a sgfc. Ive made it a couple of times before, but this time somehow I have struggled keeping humidity high, so I've covered some of the holes with tape. It works better now, but I find it Strange that only one cake seems to thrive.
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Don't tape over holes it messes with the airflow that createss the humidity - just rehydrate your perlite frequently by pouring water into it if it is getting dry in there. Sometimes it takes more than misting and you need to pour water directly into the perlite if you have a really dry climate.
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Forrester said: Don't tape over holes it messes with the airflow that createss the humidity - just rehydrate your perlite frequently by pouring water into it if it is getting dry in there. Sometimes it takes more than misting and you need to pour water directly into the perlite if you have a really dry climate.
I'd respectfully disagree with the notion that "airflow creates humidity" because I have heard that argument many times over the years but have never observed it with my own eyes. There are a handful very eloquent theories regarding these 'supposed' humidity and airflow dynamics but if the theory about 'humid air being wicked from the bottom holes out the top of the perlite surface' then for example the perlite wouldn't dry out from the top down as it does but would instead quickly dry out on the bottom while always remaining moist on the surface as moisture is continuously wicked towards the surface. Instead my observations have always been that the surface dries out very fast and then the bottom portion of the perlite is what remains wet. Judging by the stinky stale water inside the center and bottom of the perlite one is likely to assume that there's not very much air flow happening throughout the perlite mass as it sits inside the chamber. My insights are based on close up observations of the climate on top of and above the perlite surface in both SGFC and HC setups. I always advise against using perlite in a HC simply because of the structure and properties of perlite itself, once the surface layer has evaporated off the water it was holding it doesn't get damp again until you soak it or spray water on it.
And doesn't take a whole lot of brain power to come to the conclusion that cakes and fruits shouldn't display obvious stress signs of drying out if water vapor was constantly flowing out from underneath the cakes and all around them. There are just too many observations that simply don't correspond with the implied 'airflow' dynamics. I'll see if I can do an experiment today when I get home and have it documented carefully and posted so that it may become more clear in case my intended 3xplanstions aren't translating as intended.
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Re: sgfc question [Re: Mateja]
#26945538 - 09/20/20 05:54 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mateah said: I'd respectfully disagree
Why does that not surprise me... 
That's fine, you do that. We'll go ahead and let the OP decide who they want to listen to. I don't need to defend a design that's been working for over a decade.
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Yes, I could have facepalmed most of your statements but instead I'm avoiding those tactics and are trying to open up a dialog so that future readers can judge for themselves as they evaluate our arguments and the reasoning behind it. I have explained my reasoning pretty detailed so far and I also mentioned potentially performing an experiment to showcase my arguments.
I honestly thought you'd be expressing at least some kind of interest in me mentioning the experiment but in the very least I expected you to back your claims up with some science behind it but instead of offering any explanation to your argument you leave us with that lame excuse "I don't need to defend a design that works" well you actually do need to either back your statement up with something more than just acting all offended, in the very least you should be able to poke holes in my statements or challenge some of the science I presented. I'm not attacking you personally so don't feel that you need to go full defense mode, we're just chatting about cultivation
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Re: sgfc question [Re: Mateja]
#26945577 - 09/20/20 06:36 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not going to spend all day explaining to you how a wheel works. Or a SGFC - it's been done and can be searched.
Preach on brother.
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Forrester said: Preach on brother. 
OK then, I guess keep on parroting decades old myths that have never been demonstrated and I'll keep on preaching about the value of being able to back up one's claims with science instead of brushing all valid statements off as something not worth my time. Have a nice day to you as well
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