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Help please!
    #26943529 - 09/19/20 04:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

This is my first cultivation attempt. I used cubensis b+ spores in pre sterilised grow bag. Left inoculating for 8 weeks and has now been in the fruiting chamber for 19 days. Two mushrooms have started growing out the bottom of the cake but i can’t see any more pins.

I take the lid off the box and waft the air around twice per day as well as having 32 holes drilled in the box and a fan 1.5m away directed at the box.

In the bottom of the box there is a layer of vermiculite covered with a sheet of tin foil.

I also spray the inside of the box with water 1 or twice daily.

Am I doing something wrong? Has anyone seen this before? Or any advise on how to change my conditions to encourage fruiting?



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Re: Help please! [Re: Mychael2211] * 1
    #26943535 - 09/19/20 04:50 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You didn't build any sort of fruiting chamber.  If this is supposed to be a shotgun fruiting chamber, it's done way wrong.

The mushrooms you have grew out the bottom because that's the only place it's somewhat humid.  You may have trouble keeping them growing without anything providing humidity.

You should take that tub, get some perlite, and as quick as you can build a shotgun fruiting chamber but follow the tek properly.


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Re: Help please! [Re: Mychael2211]
    #26943626 - 09/19/20 06:51 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

What method are you following for your grow?

I'd suggest doing a lot more reading on different tek's.

I think my favorite contributor is PastyWhyte.  Lots of experience and very easy to follow.

Maybe start here.


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Re: Help please! [Re: reuptake]
    #26943630 - 09/19/20 06:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah man that’s not gonna work for you.

You need either a SGFC and trim that foil down by 90% or a humidity chamber is probably better for you based on what’s going on so far.


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Re: Help please! [Re: A.k.a]
    #26943709 - 09/19/20 08:25 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Here man read this and make the needed changes.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542#20195542


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Re: Help please! [Re: Mychael2211]
    #26944100 - 09/19/20 12:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Mychael2211 said:
This is my first cultivation attempt. I used cubensis b+ spores in pre sterilised grow bag. Left inoculating for 8 weeks and has now been in the fruiting chamber for 19 days. Two mushrooms have started growing out the bottom of the cake but i can’t see any more pins.

I take the lid off the box and waft the air around twice per day as well as having 32 holes drilled in the box and a fan 1.5m away directed at the box.

In the bottom of the box there is a layer of vermiculite covered with a sheet of tin foil.

I also spray the inside of the box with water 1 or twice daily.

Am I doing something wrong? Has anyone seen this before? Or any advise on how to change my conditions to encourage fruiting?





Don't pay too much attention to the "you didn't build a fruiting chamber" "that's not gonna work for you". Those are opinions that are not based in experience. A fruiting chamber is ANY container that is moist/wet on the inside and at the same time provides sufficient FAE as to stimulate continuous evaporation off the substrates. Check out the link in my sig for an extremely simple and maintenence free setup that will give you the success rate you deserve :thumbup: Gl


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Re: Help please! [Re: Mateja]
    #26944168 - 09/19/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't pay too much attention to the "you didn't build a fruiting chamber" "that's not gonna work for you". Those are opinions that are not based in experience. A fruiting chamber is ANY container that is moist/wet on the inside and at the same time provides sufficient FAE as to stimulate continuous evaporation off the substrates. Check out the link in my sig for an extremely simple and maintenence free setup that will give you the success rate you deserve :thumbup: Gl




So which is it, his fruiting chamber is fine?  Or he needs to go build yours?  It seems like you're saying both there.


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Re: Help please! [Re: Forrester]
    #26944181 - 09/19/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Obviously we don’t know what we’re talking about, have never grown shrooms before and a layer of foil over verm is a high functioning set up.


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Re: Help please! [Re: Mychael2211]
    #26944192 - 09/19/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

19 days is really long for cubes to pin, so something was wrong here

It could be any number of things, and since your methodology is unknown to us

it is much simpler to just refer you to tested methodology, than to try to understand why your methodology failed

If you can understand this, you have understood a small but important mechanism of what goes on @ shroomery

being a shroomery new guy is not easy, good luck to you


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Re: Help please! [Re: Forrester]
    #26944212 - 09/19/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't pay too much attention to the "you didn't build a fruiting chamber" "that's not gonna work for you". Those are opinions that are not based in experience. A fruiting chamber is ANY container that is moist/wet on the inside and at the same time provides sufficient FAE as to stimulate continuous evaporation off the substrates. Check out the link in my sig for an extremely simple and maintenence free setup that will give you the success rate you deserve :thumbup: Gl




So which is it, his fruiting chamber is fine?  Or he needs to go build yours?  It seems like you're saying both there.



I'd say his fruiting chamber is mostly fine, it stimulates evaporation off the subs and the trick is to dial in a balanced evaporation rate. Yes the HC is pretty easy to construct and works 95% of the time as advertised. I'd even say that he has already constructed a kind of HC, just not the standard one described in the HC Thread. However, as long as evaporation rates are somewhat balanced and continuous and the micro climate on sub surface is maintained then fruiting will occur very soon.


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Re: Help please! [Re: Mateja]
    #26944495 - 09/19/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I would look highly into changing your setup in my opinion, but before you do, buy a hygrometer and check your temp/humidty. make sure you are misting and you will figure out from there. But utimatly you need to learn as you go. So knowledge is key, get a beer of coffee, light up a cig or joint, and research your ass off on this forum. you can find multipe posts at the top of the mushroom cultivation topic thread and it has walkthroughs and everything you need


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Re: Help please! [Re: NecroMyce]
    #26944567 - 09/19/20 04:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

This is a really weird setup.  Is that a block of colonized grain?

You definitely should trim the foil to get more evaporation and humidity.


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Re: Help please! [Re: One of Us]
    #26944627 - 09/19/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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This is a really weird setup.
You definitely should trim the foil to get more evaporation and humidity.



There's no such thing as a "weird setup" if you understand how fruiting occurs and what's needed to induce pin formation and normal fruit development. The only purpose any container serves is basically to help slow down the evaporation rates off the substrates. And that's why you either spray the insides with a spray bottle or place something wet inside, to create additional moisture emitting surfaces besides just the substrates themselves. FAE is just yet another variable in managing evaporation rates off the substrates. So mushrooms don't need to be mistedzthey don't need to be "aired/ventilated" they just need to exist in an environment that somewhat mimics their natural environment, relatively high humidity but not so high so that evaporation off the subs comes to a halt thus creating saturation and messing up the micro climate on the surface. Fruiting mushrooms is just managing their environment so they don't evaporate off too fast or too slow :shrug: I wouldn't trim the foil at all, as long as you spray the chamber you'll always have humidity inside. Tho I'm not a big fan of setups that don't have adjustable FAE, of there was ever a "weird" thing about fruiting setups... :bongload:


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Re: Help please! [Re: Mateja]
    #26944662 - 09/19/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Trust me brother, I know all the ins and outs of how FCs work. I'm just saying that if the foil were trimmed it would allow more evaporation and the moist verm will regulate the humidity by itself just like what happens in monotubs. You don't have to mist monos, so it would mean less upkeep if the foil was smaller. And I am all for low maintenance FCs. Misting multiple times a day is for the birds.
I really don't see the point of that much foil. So I find that aspect especially weird.

Adjusting fae is pretty simple, even with this setup. Just tape up holes if it is drying out, or in the unlikely event there's not enough fae, melting new holes is super easy, too.

Like you mentioned, moisture emitting surfaces are important. You can easily create one by trimming the foil to expose the moist verm.


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Re: Help please! [Re: Mateja]
    #26945387 - 09/20/20 01:59 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you. You’ve been really helpful


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