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OfflineTony Shroomprano
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Need help with making rye berry grain spawn! First time noobie trying and have already failed 3 times.
    #26943006 - 09/18/20 07:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Hey everyone so I am trying for the first time to make rye berry grain spawn and I've failed on 3 attempts.  Everytime I end up with busted grains no matter what I do and I have no idea why. If someone can look through my process and tell me what I'm still doing wrong that would be very helpful.

Attempt 1:
My first try at grain spawn I followed Magash's "Very simple grain Tek". The tek told me to soak the rye berries in cold water for 24 hours and boil for 45 minutes, which I did and ended up with tons of bursted grains. Roger Rabbit's rye tek said that was way too long to boil, so I decided to try his rye tek instead.

2nd Attempt:
My second try was with Roger Rabbit's rye tek. I soaked the grain for 20 hrs in hot tap water with gypsum (I don't have any coffee) , then turned the heat all the way on, then brought the grain to a boil and let it boil for 10 minutes, just like the tek said, and I still got busted rye grains. I figured I had accidently boiled it too long during the process, so I got a thermometer to monitor to water temp and tried again.

3rd Attempt:
My third try was again Roger Rabbit's Tek. I soaked the grain again for 22 hrs in hot water and gypsum and started bringing it to a boil at full heat, this time closely monitoring the grain in the pot and the temp of the water. During the process I scooped up the grain in the pot and saw there were busted grains, not as much as before but still enough to be a problem. I checked the water temp and it was only 185°F, not even boiling yet! So I aborted the process and again tossed them. Here's some pics of the grains on the third attempt:




I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. It seems like no matter what I do I get busted grains. If someone can explain why they are still bursting and what I can change to get perfect rye berry spawn, that'd be great. Thanks.


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Re: Need help with making rye berry grain spawn! First time noobie trying and have already failed 3 times. [Re: Tony Shroomprano]
    #26943053 - 09/18/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You will have some burst grains.
None of those pictures show too many.
I would not have tossed them.
Should’ve ran ‘em.


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Re: Need help with making rye berry grain spawn! First time noobie trying and have already failed 3 times. [Re: ModularMind]
    #26943080 - 09/18/20 08:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks that's kind of a major relief tbh. I've read on other message boards that you absolutely HAVE to bring the rye to full boil for a few minutes, which seems to burst too many of the grains for me. Do I need to do that and just deal with the busted grain or can I get away with just heating them up until they look right?


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Re: Need help with making rye berry grain spawn! First time noobie trying and have already failed 3 times. [Re: Tony Shroomprano]
    #26943277 - 09/18/20 10:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

That isn’t too many and you NEED the grain hydrated.
You could always remove them if you want.
It takes more exposed starch for it to be problematic.


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Re: Need help with making rye berry grain spawn! First time noobie trying and have already failed 3 times. [Re: ModularMind]
    #26943348 - 09/18/20 11:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Alright thanks for the help I'm gonna bring them to a boil and simmer for a few minutes. I'll try lowering the heat a bit too.


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Re: Need help with making rye berry grain spawn! First time noobie trying and have already failed 3 times. [Re: Tony Shroomprano]
    #26943352 - 09/18/20 11:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

lol
Good luck with the Goldie Locks grains.


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Re: Need help with making rye berry grain spawn! First time noobie trying and have already failed 3 times. [Re: ModularMind]
    #26947967 - 09/21/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Hey following up here's pics of the new spawn. Does this look ok to you?



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Re: Need help with making rye berry grain spawn! First time noobie trying and have already failed 3 times. [Re: Tony Shroomprano]
    #26948047 - 09/21/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You can skip the soak too. I stopped soaking. I just boil the rye until hydrated.

You can run that spawn. Its a lil on the over cooked side but not by much.


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Re: Need help with making rye berry grain spawn! First time noobie trying and have already failed 3 times. [Re: LotKid]
    #26948123 - 09/21/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

really i doubt it is your grain prep if u followed rr tek to the t
what are u using to innoc these jars up w
that seed looks good :thumbup:


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Re: Need help with making rye berry grain spawn! First time noobie trying and have already failed 3 times. [Re: tripdawg420]
    #26948197 - 09/21/20 05:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks a bunch and I'm innoculating with colonized agar made with the pasty plate tek.


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Re: Need help with making rye berry grain spawn! First time noobie trying and have already failed 3 times. [Re: LotKid]
    #27239368 - 03/05/21 07:39 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I just tried rye berries for the first time. RR tek to a T, except forgot gypsum during soak. Will add during boil, with a bit of coffee too. But only 4 hours into the hot water soak a LOAD of kernels were busted. I was gonna go 12 hours. I’ve done corn up to now which is amazing to work with. So easy to keep kernels from bursting with corn. Was my hot water TOO hot? Like my hot water heater is deff pumping that shit could scald. Maybe I’m just trippin and the few bursts floated to the top and that’s all I’m really seeing. I was thinking about boil no soak and just eye em.


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Re: Need help with making rye berry grain spawn! First time noobie trying and have already failed 3 times. [Re: Shiro]
    #27241232 - 03/06/21 11:35 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Well I think people can make just boiling work.  I run with the idea of a soak to release endospores. That being said you're not far from a good process.

If you want to have less burst grains then you either need to soak less or boil less. I'd vote soak less. Many people are switching to a 6-12 hour soak. Don't forget to dry the grain afterward so they don't feel damp. I have faith in you. If you can boil a pot of noodles properly then you can get this right.


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